Why Are Burnup Numbers Identical for Different Fuels in MCNP?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the issue of obtaining identical burnup numbers for different fuels in the MCNP code, specifically comparing low-enriched uranium (LEU), LEU+, and thorium-based fuel. Participants explore the implications of burnup calculations and the factors influencing these results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over receiving identical burnup numbers for different fuels, suggesting that the burnup should vary due to differing materials.
  • Another participant points out that burnup is typically an input parameter in MCNP, which may explain the identical results if the same input was used across cases.
  • A third participant mentions a specific BURN card configuration that may affect the validity of comparisons, noting that if the reactor is under critical, the results may not reflect practical scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing views on the nature of burnup calculations and the implications of the identical results observed.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the input parameters used in the burnup calculations, and the discussion highlights potential issues with reactor criticality affecting the reliability of the results.

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Different fuels are giving the same burnup in MCNP
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to compare 3 different fuels and MCNP and I want to recover the burnup of each. When I do that however, I get identical numbers for burnup, which doesn't make sense to me, as they have different materials (LEU vs LEU+ vs a thorium-based fuel).

Does anyone know what could be the issue here? My understanding is that burnup is the energy reduced per unit mass of isotopes >=90, so it should be pretty different for these 3 cases. I uploaded the 3 out files.

Thanks!
 
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Hi @Rafimah , I can't see the out files.
 
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I don't see your output files, but I think you have a conceptualization problem. For burnup calculations, ther burnup is an input (usually specified as energy per mass of heavy metal), and the code will calculate the isotopic distribution and k-effective.

It sounds like you ran three cases and received the same burnup. Not surprising, since this is an input. Look at the isotopics and k-effective, and they should be different.
 
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There is a BURN card in the other thread specified as a power level and number of days to burn for but the reactor isn't finished and has a k of around 0.01, it's actually so under critical the code won't run. I think comparing fuels with BURN is valid, but if the conversion ratio is low any fuel is just going to yield the strictly theoretical amount of time and energy.
 
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