Why Are Open Balls Essential for Defining Limit Points in Mathematics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of limit points in the context of metric spaces, specifically examining the necessity of using open balls for their definition rather than closed balls. Participants seek intuition and examples to clarify this distinction.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the use of closed balls in defining limit points and seeks intuition on the topic.
  • Another participant confirms that in metric spaces, limit points can be defined using open balls, stating that a point x is a limit point of A if every open ball around x intersects A\{x}.
  • A participant confirms their work in a metric space and inquires whether both open and closed balls can be used for the definition.
  • It is asserted that only open balls should be used, with a suggestion to consider potential issues with closed balls.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in conceptualizing how closed balls might cause problems and requests an example.
  • A later reply suggests that a ball with radius 0 could illustrate the issue with closed balls.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that open balls are necessary for defining limit points in metric spaces, but there is no consensus on the specific reasons or examples illustrating the problems with closed balls.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the properties of open and closed balls, nor does it clarify the implications of using one over the other in defining limit points.

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While learning about limit points the use of an open ball has been of high discussion. Why can you not use a closed ball to define a limit point?

If someone could give me some intuition as to why I think I may get it.

Thanks.
 
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Are you working in metric space?? In that case, you can define limit points using open balls.

Just define x to be a limit point of A if every ball around x intersects A\{x}.
 
yes, I am working in a metric space.

So can you use your definition for open and closed balls?
 
srfriggen said:
yes, I am working in a metric space.

So can you use your definition for open and closed balls?

No, only for open balls. Think about what could go wrong for closed balls.
 
I've been trying to but I can't think of an example where having boundaries on the ball would cause a problem. That's really why I asked the original question.

Can you give me one?
 
What if the ball has radius 0?
 
got it, thanks!
 

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