Why are there Magnetic Fields on the Sun?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the presence of magnetic fields on the Sun, exploring the underlying mechanisms that contribute to these fields. Participants inquire about the relationship between charged particles, such as protons and electrons, and the generation of magnetic fields, as well as the role of shear forces in the solar dynamo process.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the equal number of protons and electrons in the Sun leads to a net magnetic field, suggesting a possible separation of charges or the randomness of magnetic fields.
  • Others propose that the Sun functions as a giant electromagnetic dynamo, similar to the Earth's core, which could explain the presence of magnetic fields.
  • There is confusion regarding how shear forces between different layers of the Sun contribute to the dynamo effect, with participants seeking clarification on this mechanism.
  • Some participants note that while currents in conductors typically arise from free electrons, the presence of free protons in the Sun raises questions about whether their magnetic fields would cancel those of electrons.
  • One participant emphasizes that the total charge of a star being neutral does not preclude the existence of strong magnetic fields, suggesting that the dynamics of stellar materials play a crucial role.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mechanisms behind solar magnetic fields, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how these fields are generated or the roles of different charged particles.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as the dynamo theory and magnetohydrodynamics, indicating that the discussion may involve complex fluid dynamics and the behavior of plasma, which are not fully resolved in the conversation.

wofsy
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Pardon this completely naive question.

I am wondering why there are net magnetic fields on the Sun. Isn't there an equal number of protons - hydrogen nuclei - to electrons? Is there a separation of protons and electrons in different parts of the Sun so that there can be net currents? or are magnetic fields fleeting and essentially random?
 
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wofsy said:
Pardon this completely naive question.

I am wondering why there are net magnetic fields on the Sun. Isn't there an equal number of protons - hydrogen nuclei - to electrons? Is there a separation of protons and electrons in different parts of the Sun so that there can be net currents? or are magnetic fields fleeting and essentially random?

The sun is, among other things, a giant EM Dynamo, just like the Earth's core in reation to mantle. The sun is of course, bigger, and better suited to such an application so HELLO Magnetic field! ;)
 
Frame Dragger said:
The sun is, among other things, a giant EM Dynamo, just like the Earth's core in reation to mantle. The sun is of course, bigger, and better suited to such an application so HELLO Magnetic field! ;)

After I read your reply I did a little reading on the web and got confused again.
The articles say that shear forces between two of the sun's layers create the dynamo that you wrote about. How do shear forces create a dynamo?

Also, in the Earth's core or in a conductor the currents come from free electrons in a conducting material. But on the Sun aren't there also free protons and wouldn't the proton generated magnetic fields tend to cancel the electron magnetic fields?
 
wofsy said:
After I read your reply I did a little reading on the web and got confused again.
The articles say that shear forces between two of the sun's layers create the dynamo that you wrote about. How do shear forces create a dynamo?

Also, in the Earth's core or in a conductor the currents come from free electrons in a conducting material. But on the Sun aren't there also free protons and wouldn't the proton generated magnetic fields tend to cancel the electron magnetic fields?

You're absolutely right to be thinking about the total charge of a body being (mostly) canceled by other particles of opposite charges. It's that thinking that leads to the concept of a stellar dynamo in some ways. There simply is no way for a star to have the powerful magnetic field it clearly does caused by a glut of ions in the stellar body.

Layers of gas, plasma, solids in the core, and fusing elements act like the liquid metallic layers of a moderm EM dynamo. How does that work? Well, the same for the sun as it does in a lab (in theory). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory

Edit: Here is the underlying theory as applied to fluid (especially stellar fluid) dynamics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics Wiki does a shockingly good job on the first subject, and I'm no master of the second.
 

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