Why are there no negative signs in this solution?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the moment of inertia for a system of four masses arranged in a rectangle. Participants are examining the application of the parallel axis theorem and questioning the absence of negative signs in the calculations.

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  • Participants are exploring the reasoning behind the expectation of negative signs in the moment of inertia calculation. There is a discussion on the implications of the axis location and the nature of the squared distance in the moment of inertia formula.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants questioning the assumptions regarding the signs in the calculation. There is an indication of differing interpretations of how the moment of inertia should be computed based on the arrangement of the masses and the chosen axis.

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Participants are considering the geometric arrangement of the masses and the implications of the axis of rotation on the calculation. The specific value of "d" is noted as being 1 meter, which is relevant to the application of the parallel axis theorem.

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Calculating moment of inertia for 4 bodies by parallel axis theorem.
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##I_{CM} = 2kg (1m)^{2} + 2kg (1m)^{2} + 2kg (1m)^{2} + 2kg (1m)^{2} = 8kgm^{2}##
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##\sum {I} = Md^{2}##

##I_{CM} = 2kg (1m)^{2} + 2kg (1m)^{2} + 2kg (1m)^{2}

+ 2kg (1m)^{2} = 8kgm^{2}##

##I_{P} = I_{CM} + Md^{2}## (##M## is total mass of all 4 bodies)

##I_{P} = 8 + 8(1) = 16kgm^{2}##
 
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As I understand the drawing, you have four masses arranged in a rectangle. You compute the moment of inertia about a vertical center-of-mass axis that is embedded in the plane of the drawing. The goal is to compute the moment of inertia about a parallel axis at a distance "d" away from the center-of-mass axis.

You apply the parallel axis theorem and add the moment of inertia of the assembly about its center of mass axis to the moment of inertia that a point mass at that center would have about the chosen axis.

Apparently d = 1 meter.

The thread title asks why there are no negative signs in the calculation. Why would you expect negative signs in the calculation?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Why would you expect negative signs in the calculation?
If two moments are positive side and other two will be obviously negative because axis is located at the center.
 
Benjamin_harsh said:
If two moments are positive side and other two will be obviously negative because axis is located at the center.
I am having trouble following this reasoning.

Moment of inertia is the sum of ##mr^2##. The r term is squared. Its sign is irrelevant.
 
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