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The discussion centers on the perceived intellectual divide between the Democratic and Republican parties, with many participants arguing that educated individuals tend to lean liberal due to the logical and ethical nature of progressive policies. The GOP is characterized by a focus on less government intervention, fiscal conservatism, and traditional values, which some argue limits societal progress. There is a critique of conservative ideology as being economically and ethically bankrupt, described as a primitive and fear-driven approach that threatens societal health. The conversation also touches on the inconsistency within GOP positions, particularly regarding states' rights and social issues like gay marriage. Overall, the dialogue reflects a strong belief in the superiority of liberal ideologies over conservative ones in fostering a rational and compassionate society.
  • #51
Dissident Dan said:
The web page referenced in the post was completely wacko. Sure, I'll readily admit that there's a liberal majority in colleges...but that doesn't make them commie pinkos as the author of that article suggests. It continues to astound me that right-wingers still think that liberals/lefties are automatically pinkos. They have absolutely no idea of the people they disagree with actually think. They have these myopic, propoganda-induced, binary views of the world and its people.
Aren't you just flipping the mirror around? You're pigeonholing conservatives by alleging that as a group they pigeonhole liberals. In reality, neither liberals, nor conservatives fit into their nice, neat boxes that the oposite side puts them in.
 
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  • #52
No, Gokul43201 increasing the voting age would just be treating the symptom of the greater problem- the extension of childhood into the early twenties.
 
  • #53
Okay.

Also, if you can be taxed at 18, you'd better have the right to vote at that age. Besides this and the draft eligibility age, were there other reasons for lowering the voting age from 21 to 18 ? And what were the main criticisms against it ?
 
  • #54
russ_watters said:
You can even dissect individual colleges and see where students/professors fall: engineers are generally conservative while liberal arts majors are generally liberal. Why? Because an engineer is concerned with what works while an english major is concerned with what sounds good. Reality for an engineer is a building that needs to not collapse, while reality for an english major is words on a page: literature - art - aesthetics. That sounds nice, but it isn't reality. Its easy to say something works, especially when you have no chance of ever being in a situation where you need to make it work.
i agree 100%. I've been taking mainly scientific classes for the last 3 years and was surprised at how conservative both the students and the teachers were, as i had always heard about how liberal colleges are. now this year i took a bunch of social science classes and I'm bombarded with liberal ideology every day! however most of it is just outspoken mindless drivel, even from professors, some of their comments just make me chuckle to myself...
 
  • #55
Well the 26th amendment seems to have been ratified in 1971, so I would think the main reason for lowering the voting age was because of the drafting issue. I am not too familiar with this issue, but that seems to be the case.

I have no problem with a lowered voting age though, my problem resides with the monopoly the federal government has on education. And both political parties are equal in blame, and currently both main candidates will just do more harm.
 
  • #56
Blah Blah blah blah, I always hear the same BS from you conservatives all the time. "Damn kids don't know what the real world is. You shouldn't be allowed to vote." I have worked a full time job since I have been 15 every summer, and work part time during the school year. This semester alone I have 21 credits on top of working 20 hours a week. In any given week with homework and regular work combined, I work easily over 100 hrs. I only sleep about 4 hours every night. Yes please bring on the real world so I will only have to work 40 hours per week. I will love it. Yes let's not give 18-21 year olds the right to vote because they don't know anything. The only thing they are good for is picking up a gun and dying defending this nation in war. If your too old to be drafted, what the hell gives you the right to tell the youth who are of draft age that we should not be given the right to vote? Fine, you can take away my vote, just don't exepct me to serve in the military when this country needs the youth to protect it during war time. I'm so sick of bitter old people's age discrimination. And don't use the "Well I pay my taxes" BS excuse. I have been paying taxes since I was 15.
 
  • #57
gravenewworld said:
Blah Blah blah blah, I always hear the same BS from you conservatives all the time. "Damn kids don't know what the real world is. You shouldn't be allowed to vote." I have worked a full time job since I have been 15 every summer, and work part time during the school year. This semester alone I have 21 credits on top of working 20 hours a week. In any given week with homework and regular work combined, I work easily over 100 hrs. I only sleep about 4 hours every night. Yes please bring on the real world so I will only have to work 40 hours per week. I will love it. Yes let's not give 18-21 year olds the right to vote because they don't know anything. The only thing they are good for is picking up a gun and dying defending this nation in war. If your too old to be drafted, what the hell gives you the right to tell the youth who are of draft age that we should not be given the right to vote? Fine, you can take away my vote, just don't exepct me to serve in the military when this country needs the youth to protect it during war time. I'm so sick of bitter old people's age discrimination. And don't use the "Well I pay my taxes" BS excuse. I have been paying taxes since I was 15.

I like this thread. A "Don't trust anyone under 25" viewpoint, a "I've worked my butt off harder than you pansified sissies have ever worked" viewpoint, plus, best of all, the Simpson's used as experimental evidence (Russ, I'm shocked! :eek: ).

Did you happen to see the Simpsons' episode where they tried that...?

Well, back in my day, Abby Hoffman said "Don't trust anyone over 30." (Don't trust him. He's over 50, now, maybe even over 60).

And, as how hard you've got it working your way through college, back in my day, I had to walk all the way over to the TV to change the channel, EVEN IN WINTER! (Thank god I had snowshoes)

Of course, back in my day, we didn't have days. God hadn't separated the heavens, yet.

No, when you really look at it, your 18-25 year olds may be more idealistic and liberal, but they're not any more likely to make dumb votes (completely uninformed votes) than anyone else. (and maybe even more capable of handling butterfly ballots than some).
 
  • #58
aeroegnr said:
No, Gokul43201 increasing the voting age would just be treating the symptom of the greater problem- the extension of childhood into the early twenties.

This is a problem? I say, let's extend the best years of our lives. :biggrin:

And bravo, gravenewworld: a perspective from the "real world" (actually, a silly phrase) unclouded by dogma. A breath of fresh air in this thread.

And this quote -- "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." -- wins the award for the most stupid quote in the history of the world.
 
  • #59
Wow...I'm just asking questions here. I never expressed a "don't trust anyone under 25" point of view. I was just trying to figure out whether the minimum voting age was established on the basis of capability to comprehend politics or other issues like draft eligibility and taxation without representation.

Can't we have a little discussion without people blowing their tops ?

And I thought Abby Smith was some lady who was a national level athlete at the age of 3, or some such thing.
 
  • #60
If the average lifespan of an american is 75 years, then the conventional 13 years of public schools and then 4 years of university, exiting at 22, effectively keeps people out of society for almost a third of their lives. That's a huge social engineering feat. Not only that, but local people no longer have the influence that they used to on their children's education because of federal involvement. Locking people out of society also puts an enourmous burden on taxpayers, so we work longer hours (to make enough money after taxes) and will thus have less time to interact with our own families and neighbors.

The No Child Left Behind Act has put a huge emphasis on standards and conformity to federal ideals. We cannot say that any set of standards is the absolute best, so why leave one set of standards as the only option?

John Kerry is also planning to keep public high schools open until 6pm. This will also result in a huge amount of money being forcibly spent by taxpayers, with the assumption that some students will then be required to stay at the school. The federal government is slowly increasing its grasp on children until they will no longer be under the supervision of the two adults that brought them into the world.

Also, I have a quote from a book published in 1918 in regard to the state of education in Germany at the time, does this at all sound familiar?

Page 207 of Principles of Secondary Education by Alexander Inglis

“…Through the department for higher schools in the State Ministry, through the provincial boards, and through the examining commissions, the centralized State control of higher schools is practically complete. The result is a system of standardized higher schools throughout the Kingdom of Prussia, manifesting a degree of uniformity in organization, administration, curricula, and all other matters, which is without parallel in any American State. Local school boards play an insignificant role in the control of higher schools. Municipalities may assume the initiative in the establishment of their own schools, but in such case they must conform to the regulations of the provincial boards. They may decide what type of school shall be established, but once established the school must conform in every way to the minimum requirements set. Local authorities may select their own teachers, but the selection must be made from a list of eligibles prepared by the higher authorities. In all cases the action of the local boards is determined by standards set up by higher authorities, and once the school is established little is left for the local authorities except to see that the work of the school fulfills the demands set by State and provincial officers and see that the bills are paid. Their control over the professional side of the work of the school is nil.”
 
  • #61
Gokul43201 said:
Wow...I'm just asking questions here. I never expressed a "don't trust anyone under 25" point of view. I was just trying to figure out whether the minimum voting age was established on the basis of capability to comprehend politics or other issues like draft eligibility and taxation without representation.
And though I said youngsters (at 29, I'm old enough to use that word) are more liberal than older people (I'm not there yet), I never said they shouldn't vote. Quite the contrary - as a former enlistee, I think its pretty important that they should be able to vote. And while we're at it - someone who is old enough to die for their country should be allowed to calm his nerves with a shot of Jack too.

On who should be allowed to vote, I think the test we have works fine: people are too apathetic to vote shouldn't vote - and they don't!

But it is entertaining to be pigeonholed...
best of all, the Simpson's used as experimental evidence (Russ, I'm shocked! ).
All of life's important lessons can be learned from The Simpsons.
 
  • #62
It's called a technocracy. A System where the Intellectuals/Scientists of a society are the ruling class.
 
  • #63
Gokul43201 said:
Wow...I'm just asking questions here. I never expressed a "don't trust anyone under 25" point of view. I was just trying to figure out whether the minimum voting age was established on the basis of capability to comprehend politics or other issues like draft eligibility and taxation without representation.

Can't we have a little discussion without people blowing their tops ?

And I thought Abby Smith was some lady who was a national level athlete at the age of 3, or some such thing.

I was being facetious in my comments about the posts. But, I was serious that this is an entertaining thread.

Who the heck is Abby Smith? Is she that girl swimmer in Breakfast of Champions?
 
  • #64
BobG said:
This group also does some off the wall surveys. Turns out that people who watch late night comedy shows know more about current politics than those who don't watch late night comedy shows. Daily Show viewers are more savvy about current politics than Jay Leno or David Letterman viewers.

Some Daily Show folks are being interviewed on MSNBC right now. I didn't know about this before now, but apparently Bill O' Reilly said some not-especially-flattering words about the Daily Show and its audience.

A Pew poll showed that while 74% of Daily Show viewers were likely to have been through a 4 yr college education, only 28% of O' Reilly viewers share that credential.
 
  • #65
BobG said:
I was being facetious in my comments about the posts. But, I was serious that this is an entertaining thread.

Who the heck is Abby Smith? Is she that girl swimmer in Breakfast of Champions?

I'm not sure where the 'Smith' came from...slippy fingers, I guess.

I did mean Abby Hoffman.
 
  • #66
Gokul43201 said:
Some Daily Show folks are being interviewed on MSNBC right now. I didn't know about this before now, but apparently Bill O' Reilly said some not-especially-flattering words about the Daily Show and its audience.

A Pew poll showed that while 74% of Daily Show viewers were likely to have been through a 4 yr college education, only 28% of O' Reilly viewers share that credential.

Seriously, I was only kidding about that "Don't trust anyone under 25" comment. :cry:

Did you have to post this only 22 minutes after I posted a quote from the O'Reilly show? You must really be upset with me. :frown: Honest, I only watch him when Keith Olberman isn't on the Countdown show.

And, yes, O'Reilly made some comments about the Daily Show, but it's all for good entertainment. I think O'Reilly's supposed to return the favor by visiting Jon Stewart on his home turf.
 
  • #67
BobG said:
Seriously, I was only kidding about that "Don't trust anyone under 25" comment. :cry:

Did you have to post this only 22 minutes after I posted a quote from the O'Reilly show? You must really be upset with me. :frown:

Yes, I hate you ! I hate you , you vile slanderer !

Honest, I only watch him when Keith Olberman isn't on the Countdown show.

Oh okay...then you're alright. Can you explain the strange and intricate relationship between Keith and William Hung ? That little thing somehow baffles me...

And, yes, O'Reilly made some comments about the Daily Show, but it's all for good entertainment. I think O'Reilly's supposed to return the favor by visiting Jon Stewart on his home turf.

Jon Stewart was on O' Reilly ?? :eek: How did I miss that ? :cry:
 
  • #68
What?! William Hung is proof that left-wing free-sex hippies don't dominate universities - not even UCal-Berkeley. He's a junior in college and still a virgin.

This guy is great! Just watch "She Bangs" (3rd video down).

http://www.williamhung.net/video.cfm
 
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  • #69
Theres lots of Juniors in college that are virgins, what does that proove?
 
  • #70
BobG said:
He's a junior in college
...and he's Hung, ...

and still a virgin.
 
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