Why can,t we multiply two distributions?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether two distributions, specifically Dirac delta functions, can be multiplied. Participants explore the implications of Schwartz's theorem regarding the multiplication of distributions and present various viewpoints on the validity and meaning of such products.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that Schwartz proved that two distributions cannot be multiplied, questioning the validity of multiplying two Dirac delta functions.
  • Another participant suggests a heuristic argument against the validity of the product of two delta functions, raising concerns about the integral of the product and the definition of such a product.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim by stating that the product has not been properly defined and lists potential mistakes in the reasoning.
  • One participant attempts to define the product of two Dirac delta functions using a specific case, providing a piecewise definition based on the values of a and b.
  • Another participant questions the consistency of the proposed product and emphasizes the need to understand Schwartz's theorem fully, arguing that a single example does not prove general validity.
  • A later reply clarifies the distinction between the Dirac delta function and the Dirac delta distribution, suggesting that the initial posts may conflate the two concepts.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the multiplication of distributions, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proposed products or the interpretation of Schwartz's theorem.

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Limitations in the discussion include missing details in the definitions of products, assumptions about the nature of distributions, and the need for clarity regarding the distinction between functions and distributions.

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I think Schwartz proved that 2 distributions couldn,t be multiplied..but why?..if we had 2 delta functions then their "product" is:

\delta (x-a) \delta(x-b)=f(a,b,x)


so i have obtained the product of 2 Dirac,s delta considering that delta is a distribution is not this a contradiction to Schwartz,s proof.
 
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Here's one heuristic as to why it is not valid. What is the integral of d(x-a)d(x-b)? It ought to be 1, possibly after scaling, but at the same time it ought to be, in some sens d(b-a) and d(a-b) 'cos deltas ought to pick out values.

You have defined a symbol that is the product of two deltas, you have not at all shown that this symbol even begins to make sense, anymore than I have shown how to divide 0 by o when I define a symbol X=0/0.

You might also want to integrate f(x)d(x-a)d(x-b) by parts as well, that might produce an intereseting result.
 
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so i have obtained the product of 2 Dirac,s delta
No you haven't.

You haven't given all the details, so I can't tell what mistake you made. So I'll list the two most likely possibilities:

(1) You simply wrote down a formal product. You've not said what that product is, or even given a reason why it should exist!

(2) You've not multiplied distributions; you've simply convolved them.
 
I have used the "usual" multiplication...2x3=6 and

\delta (x-a) x \delta(x-b)

The product is:

1 if x=a and a<b or b<a, or if x=b a<b or b<a
0 if x is different from a or b
oo if x=a=b
 
And what do you think that symbol does? Why has an extraneous x appeared in it?

So, your now object is either:

The dirac delta, probably, if a=b, and if a=/=b then it is a function that that is zero everywhere except at a and b when it is 1.

Is that consistent?

Have you tried to understand the exact statement of Schwartz's theorem?

Further you should understand the even if this is acceptable, one example that shows it can be done does not prove that it can always be done. You are being disingenuous by not stating Schwartz's result in full.
 
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Wait, let's start from the very beginning...

Just what do you think the dirac delta distribution is? Your posts make it sound like you're talking about something different: you seem to be talking about the function \delta:\mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R} defined by:

<br /> \delta(x) := \begin{cases}<br /> 0 &amp; x \neq 0 \\<br /> 1 &amp; x = 0<br /> \end{cases}<br />

but this function is not the dirac delta distribution.
 
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