Why can't helium reach 0 K and become solid according to kinetic theory of gas?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of helium and the implications of kinetic theory of gases, particularly in relation to reaching absolute zero temperature and the state of gases at such conditions.

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  • Participants explore the implications of reaching 0 K, questioning the validity of kinetic theory assumptions at extremely low densities and the behavior of gases as they approach absolute zero. They discuss the relationship between temperature, volume, and pressure, and whether a single molecule can still be considered a gas.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored regarding the behavior of helium at low temperatures and the principles of kinetic theory. Some participants have provided insights into thermodynamic principles and the nature of gases, while others question the assumptions underlying these theories.

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There are references to the third law of thermodynamics and the behavior of gases under specific conditions, including the melting point of helium and the effects of pressure on its state. The discussion includes considerations of ideal gas behavior and the limitations of kinetic theory at extreme conditions.

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If it were possible for a gas in a container to reach the temperature of 0 K , its pressure will be zero . would the molecules not collide with the wall ? would they not transfer any momentum to the walls .
 
It is said that the assumptions of kinetic theory are good for gases having low density . Suppose a container is so evacuated that only one molecule of gas is left in it . Will all the assumptions of kinetic theory still be valid ? Can we assign a temperature to this gas ?
 
If a gas could reach absolute zero then it would have no volume, velocity or anything so nol.
The third law of thermodynamics states the entropy of a pure substance at absolute zero temperature is zero. The ideal gas equations imply that as S=0, before T=0K but the approximation still holds for high values of V/N.

Try looking at thermodynamic books, particulary the ideal gas laws.
 
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Look up the definition of a gas, the single molecule will behave like a molecule not a gas :).
 
alfredbester said:
If a gas could reach absolute zero then it would have no volume, .

Not at all.
A gas, before reaching the absolute temperature zero, changes state, and it becomes a solid at the end.
Its volume changes but is not null. There will be no shocks between the atoms, not of movement, They are frozen.
 
I was assuming he was talking about an ideal gas, by the level of his other questions.
 
One molcule of gas is have a particular speed, and that will only be affected by collision with the atoms of its container.

How is thermal statistics related to the kinetic theory of a gas?
 
He does not solidify at 0K, and in fact, it really cannot get to 0 K (at least for 1 atm (0.101325 MPa), although http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_gases#Physical_Properties shows that the melting point of He is ~1 K (-272 °C), but
"Solid helium requires a temperature of 1–1.5 K (about −272 °C or −457 °F) and about 26 standard atmospheres (2.6 MPa) of pressure."
In a vacuum, He at or near 0 K is a liquid.

At 0 K, if the gas molcules would not stick to the wall, which they should since 0 K implies no speed, then they would fall downward (under influence of gravity) and contact the base or floor of whatever vessel in which the gas was occupying. The volume of the gas would be the volume of the atoms or molecules, and the pressure would be zero, since the atoms or molecules would have no momentum, if they are 'frozen' in place.
 

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