Why Can't Objects Exceed the Speed of Light in Space?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why objects cannot exceed the speed of light in space. Participants explore concepts related to mass, acceleration, and the fundamental limits imposed by the speed of light, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects of physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that objects with mass gain more mass as they accelerate, making further acceleration increasingly difficult from an outside observer's perspective.
  • Others question whether mass gain is a real phenomenon or merely an apparent effect due to acceleration.
  • One participant suggests that the speed of light is a universal limit, though the origin of this limit is left ambiguous.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between mass and energy, noting that kinetic energy can be converted into mass during particle collisions, while emphasizing that energy is conserved.
  • A later reply elaborates on the concept of inertia, explaining that as an object's speed increases, the energy required to further accelerate it also increases, creating a cycle where more energy is needed to overcome existing inertia.
  • It is mentioned that the speed of light is invariant, meaning it is measured to be the same by all observers, which contributes to it being the ultimate speed limit in the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of mass and acceleration, with no consensus reached on whether mass gain is real or apparent. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental reasons behind the speed limit set by the speed of light.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as inertia, kinetic energy, and the conservation of energy, but these ideas are not fully resolved or universally accepted within the discussion.

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Why is the speed of light the fastest anything travwling through space can move?
 
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Objects with mass essentially gain more mass as they accelerate, which makes it progressively harder and harder to accelerate them (as viewed by an outside observer).
 
Now do objects actually gain mass or is it just the way it appears due to the acceleration?
Also, while understanding that object gain mass and as a result acceleration becomes more and more difficult, but why can it not surpass the speed of light. Is it just a fact of reality such as force of gravity?
 
Light is the universal limit that has been put in place in our universe. Who put it there? Who knows. Call the who God if you want...
 
travwg33 said:
Now do objects actually gain mass or is it just the way it appears due to the acceleration?
Also, while understanding that object gain mass and as a result acceleration becomes more and more difficult,

When they collide particles in an accelerator , when the particles collide some of their kinetic energy can be turned into mass , so after the collision you can have heavier particles then
what you started with , but energy is conserved .
 
travwg33 said:
Now do objects actually gain mass or is it just the way it appears due to the acceleration?
To an outside observer, they really have gained mass - mass and energy are equivalent.
Also, while understanding that object gain mass and as a result acceleration becomes more and more difficult, but why can it not surpass the speed of light.
You're asking the same question that I just answered again. What kind of answer are you looking for?
Is it just a fact of reality such as force of gravity?
Yes, it is a reality.
 
travwg33 said:
Now do objects actually gain mass or is it just the way it appears due to the acceleration?
Also, while understanding that object gain mass and as a result acceleration becomes more and more difficult, but why can it not surpass the speed of light. Is it just a fact of reality such as force of gravity?

Try looking at it this way. Mass and energy are two sides of the same coin. As such, they have a common characteristic; they both affect the inertia of an object. Inertia is that property that makes an object want to maintain its present velocity.

So if you speed up a 1 kg object up to 1 m/s, its kinetic energy has increased by some small amount. But increase in kinetic energy carries it own inertia, which you have to overcome, in addition to the object's initial inertia, if you want to increase the object's speed any more. This means that you have to add more energy to increase the speed by a certain amount than you would if you were only dealing with the initial inertia.

In other words, it takes energy to accelerate the object, but adding energy makes the object harder to accelerate further. Its a viscous cycle where more of the energy you add goes to overcoming the inertia of the energy the object already has, and less and less goes to increasing the speed.

The reason the speed of light becomes the limit is that c, the speed of light, is a special speed; it is invariant. This means that everyone measures it to have the same value with respect to themselves. One of the consequences of having an invariant speed is that it automatically leads to that speed also being the speed limit of the universe.
 

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