Why do different nuclei need different neutron speed for neutron capture?

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The discussion centers on the differing neutron speed requirements for neutron capture in various nuclei, specifically U-235 and Pu-239, in the context of fission reactions. Participants explore the conditions under which these nuclei undergo fission, the role of neutron energy, and the underlying nuclear forces involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that U-235 requires thermal neutrons for fission, while Pu-239 requires fast neutrons, suggesting a difference in neutron absorption behavior.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the claim that Pu-239 requires fast neutrons, asserting that thermal neutron fission is also observed for both U-235 and Pu-239.
  • Participants discuss the role of the strong nuclear force in neutron capture, with one confirming its significance.
  • Cross-section values for thermal and fast neutrons are presented, indicating that U-235 has a larger cross-section for thermal neutrons compared to fast neutrons, while the values for Pu-239 are similar for both types.
  • There is a query about the relationship between neutron speed and the likelihood of collision, suggesting a connection to the nuclear force.
  • Fast neutron fission is acknowledged as possible, with one participant noting its application in nuclear bombs, contrasting it with thermal fission used in reactors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of fast neutrons for Pu-239 fission, with no consensus reached on the conditions under which each nucleus is likely to undergo fission.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying interpretations of neutron cross-sections and the implications for fission likelihood, as well as the conditions under which fast versus thermal neutron fission occurs. Some assumptions about the nature of neutron interactions and binding energy are also present but not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying nuclear physics, particularly in the areas of fission reactions, neutron interactions, and nuclear force dynamics.

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Why do different nuclei need different neutron speed to achieve fission??

My understanding is that U-235 requires a thermal neutron in order to be likely to cause a fission reaction, however Pu-239 requires the additional energy of a fast neutron in order to cause the nucleus to undergo fission rather than just absorbing the neutron and becoming Pu-240.

I also think that a U-235 nucleus is unlikely to absorb a fast neutron. (is this true?)

Is it true that the strong nuclear force in the vicinity of the nucleons is responsible for the "capture" of a passing neutron? If so why should U-235 and Pu-239 be so different in terms of the likelihood of them capturing fast neutrons?

Also, if a U-235 nucleus did absorb a fast neutron, would it be likely to split?

Thanks for any help.
 
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Did you find values for the cross-section of fast neutrons at U-235 and Pu-239? Maybe they are not so different, and the cross-section for thermal neutrons at U-235 is just larger.

Is it true that the strong nuclear force in the vicinity of the nucleons is responsible for the "capture" of a passing neutron?
This is true.
 
Thermal neutron fission is observed for some even-odd nuclei such as U235 and Pu239. The compound nucleus formed is even-even, which has greater binding energy, and therefore there's plenty of excess energy available to cause instability and result in fission.

Fast neutron fission is observed in some even-even nuclei like U238. In this case the compound nucleus is even-odd and has less binding energy. Meaning at least a certain amount of excitation energy must be supplied by the incoming neutron for fission to occur.

Your statement that Pu239 requires fast neutrons is incorrect.
 
Is fast neutron fission possible or just as likely as thermal neutron fission in the even-odd nuclei like U235 and Pu239?
 
mfb said:
Did you find values for the cross-section of fast neutrons at U-235 and Pu-239? Maybe they are not so different, and the cross-section for thermal neutrons at U-235 is just larger.

From what I can see for thermal neutrons the cross-sections for fission for the two nuclei are:

U235 - 346 barns
Pu239 - 695 barns

And for fast neutrons the the cross-sections are

U235 - 1.8 barns
Pu239 - 1.7 barns

So could I conclude from these that both nuclei are much more likely to encounter, and therefore undergo fission as a result of a thermal neutron than a fast one?

Why should the speed of the neutron effect the likelihood of a collision? Is this related to the nuclear force?
 
marklimmage said:
Is fast neutron fission possible or just as likely as thermal neutron fission in the even-odd nuclei like U235 and Pu239?

Yes - fast fission is possible. That's how bombs work. Thermal fission is for reactors.
 

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