Why do dimensions curl up or expand?

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The discussion centers on the nature of extra dimensions in string theory, particularly why some dimensions appear to curl up or expand. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, potential mechanisms, and the implications of dimensional compactification and decompactification, with a focus on the conditions under which these phenomena occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that higher dimensions compactify in string theory, leading to the experience of only three spatial dimensions, while questioning the energy requirements for this process.
  • Others argue that the question presupposes a natural size for dimensions, suggesting that the notion of a "cause" for their deviation may not be valid.
  • A participant references a paper related to the fate of four dimensions, noting the lack of a well-established model explaining why some dimensions are compact and others are not.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of compactification using fluxes from fields, with a suggestion that this approach may involve fine-tuning and questioning why specifically six dimensions are compactified.
  • Another viewpoint discusses the theoretical motivations for having 9-10 spatial dimensions, linking them to the weakness of gravity and the need for mathematical beauty, while also mentioning alternative theories that do not rely on compactified dimensions.
  • There is acknowledgment that a theoretical motivation or mechanism for compactification remains an open problem in the field.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature and mechanisms of dimensional compactification and decompactification, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of dimensions and their behavior, and there are unresolved questions about the stability and motivations behind compactification in string theory.

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In string theory, the universe can have 9-10 spatial dimensions and the reason why we experience 3 is because those higher dimensions compactify. Under right conditions the extra dimensions can decompactify into the macroscopic dimensions we see. Why do some dimensions curl up or expand? Is energy required to curl up the extra dimensions
 
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Trollfaz said:
Why do some dimensions curl up or expand?
Happens when they get wet. Fabric of space and all.

The question seems to presuppose that they have a natural size and something causes them to deviate from it - this "cause" you mention. That's not necessarily true.
 
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Trollfaz said:
Under right conditions the extra dimensions can decompactify into the macroscopic dimensions we see. Why do some dimensions curl up or expand? Is energy required to curl up the extra dimensions
Are you referring to this paper: The fate of four dimensions ? Personally, I didn't know that paper. I didn't check, but does it have a lot of follow-up papers?

Some remarks related to your question:

As far as I know, there is no well-established model in string theory explaining why some dimensions are compact and others not.

Another question to ponder is why these compact dimensions remained small during the cosmic inflation. Here I read something in the past about cosmic strings, which stated that during the inflationary epoch, cosmic strings were wrapped around the compact dimensions, thus preventing them from expanding. Unfortunately, I do not have a reference for this anymore.
 
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In string theory we compactify by using fluxes of fields. This can already be done in GR with an electromagnetic field. You can compactify one spatial dimension and keep it small by using a flux from the EM-field. But that solution will be unstable.

To me, this flux compactification reeks a bit like fine tuning. And why just 6 dimensions compactified? Nobody knows. People were primarily happy to use the geometry of this 6d spaces to explain features of standard models, and saw the former curse of extra dimensions as a new blessing.
 
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Trollfaz said:
In string theory, the universe can have 9-10 spatial dimensions and the reason why we experience 3 is because those higher dimensions compactify. Under right conditions the extra dimensions can decompactify into the macroscopic dimensions we see. Why do some dimensions curl up or expand? Is energy required to curl up the extra dimensions
The theory has 9-10 spatial dimensions in the first place to motivate the weakness of gravity relative to the Standard Model forces and to allow for mathematical beauty.

The theory has compactified dimensions because we need them to conform to observation.

Alternately, the theory doesn't use compactified dimensions at all, and instead confines Standard Model forces but not gravity to four dimensional branes. This also has the virtue of providing a dumping ground on branes we don't live on for particles and forces that the theory predicts that aren't seen.

But a theoretical motivation or mechanism for compactification is more of a open problem than it is something that there is an answer at the ready to address.
 

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