Why do girls struggle in science classes while boys excel?

[franznietzsche]

I am so with you. Rainy days and Mondays always get me down.
This weather is putting me in a nasty mood. I didn't even make it to class today because it took me almost two freaking hours to get to the campus due to the jacked up traffic - it's normally only a 20 minute drive.

I live on campus and i don't own an umbrella and its a bloody monsoon. And i had to carry a baritone sax around part of the day. Not cool. So Add tired (its heavy) + drenched + hungry +a crapload of homework stil to do = evil rainy monday.

 

[ek]

I would bet my right foot this guy lives in Alberta and also that his parents voted for Stephen Harper's Tories in the last election.

Guarentee it.

 

[franznietzsche]

I would bet my right foot this guy lives in Alberta and also that his parents voted for Stephen Harper's Tories in the last election.

Guarentee it.

What are you talking about?

 

[Moonbear]

I am so with you. Rainy days and Mondays always get me down.
This weather is putting me in a nasty mood. I didn't even make it to class today because it took me almost two freaking hours to get to the campus due to the jacked up traffic - it's normally only a 20 minute drive.

I don't have any particular dislike for Mondays, I've always thought that was a bit unfair to Mondays to single them out as bad days like that. But, I am getting sick and tired of gray and rainy days! If I wanted to put up with weather like this, I'd have moved to Seattle.

 

[Invisible]

What does it matter what their mark is?

How do you find out from someone you don't know? Find out their student number like a loser?

Also, when I talk to other students, I'm not concerned about their mark. It sounds like she is saying that this guy has 67%, so he doesn't know what he's doing. I bet if she talked to the guy first without knowing the grade, she probably wouldn't have guessed his/her grade to be that low.

I tutored a student who had an A in the class, but just wanted a tutor to learn more and understand better. A smart person who knows that an A means ****.

The school system should be based on a Pass/Fail basis. Fail is below 50 and pass is above 50, but the mark isn't posted. You have no clue how much better you are than anyone. You have to on your own decide whether you know your **** or not. For scholarships, they can have interviews. You might have an A, but when it comes to talking about the subject a week later in the interview, but you forgot everything... well your out of luck for $$$.

The person with 67% might only know 67%, but a year from now, the person might still know 67%, meanwhile the chick with 87% drops from 87->55%.

Who's the smart one now?

Put less emphasis on what other people got, and your position in the classroom.

Oh, I see what you're saying now. Actually, I sort of got the impression that she was showing off. And no, I don't give a **** what her mark is or what the other students' marks are either. Even the person with 67 could get his/her mark up.

In my class, there is a person who was doing really good...I'm not going to say any marks cause I don't want to be a loser like the GodsChild086 person. But yes, he was always getting the good marks, and now he's in the range of failing. So my point is that I think the GodsChild086 person should not even have posted this thread, but cause she won't know when her mark will drop considerably. But then again, I don't care, and I don't give a **** either.

 

[JasonRox]

Oh, I see what you're saying now. Actually, I sort of got the impression that she was showing off. And no, I don't give a **** what her mark is or what the other students' marks are either. Even the person with 67 could get his/her mark up.

In my class, there is a person who was doing really good...I'm not going to say any marks cause I don't want to be a loser like the GodsChild086 person. But yes, he was always getting the good marks, and now he's in the range of failing. So my point is that I think the GodsChild086 person should not even have posted this thread, but cause she won't know when her mark will drop considerably. But then again, I don't care, and I don't give a **** either.

Exactly.

This won't all happen in high school either. I have met people that received full scholarships, but are now on probation because they flunked out of university. Don't ask your teacher if you know your stuff, ask yourself.

 

[singleton]

Talk of pass/fail system: I would advocate a pass/fail system if it required at least an 80% (if not 90%) to pass. Realistically if you can't achieve an 80% grade would you really consider yourself learned in that particular subject? Do you want someone who was only "right" half of the time? ;)

Edit: I think it is unacceptable to call GodsChild a "loser" merely if you disagree with them and their thread, regardless of how you feel.

 

[franznietzsche]

Talk of pass/fail system: I would advocate a pass/fail system if it required at least an 80% (if not 90%) to pass. Realistically if you can't achieve an 80% grade would you really consider yourself learned in that particular subject? Do you want someone who was only "right" half of the time? ;)

Edit: I think it is unacceptable to call GodsChild a "loser" merely if you disagree with them and their thread, regardless of how you feel.

Yeah but then the schools here would have even higher failure rates, and politicians would lose their jobs because idiot parents buy into the liberal agenda that their kid is capable of anything when he/she plainly isn't. [/rant]

 

[singleton]

Yeah but then the schools here would have even higher failure rates, and politicians would lose their jobs because idiot parents buy into the liberal agenda that their kid is capable of anything when he/she plainly isn't. [/rant]

That is my opinion IF they implement a pass/fail scheme though. If you want to have a system that decides what is "learned" and what isn't...then by all means use at least an 80% IMO.

Side note: Part of me would like to see schools offer courses with no prerequisities and no grading system. Then students could learn without the fear and pressure of "performance". I wouldn't suggest these people obtain professional certifications or degrees--rather that it would be a nice option if they could just "learn". I would never want these people (who haven't been formally tested on their knowledge) to be actually working in the field :P

Realistically they couldn't handle that much influx of people though... so they use the next best thing to prioritize incoming students (your GPA).

Thats just a minor opinion though. Of course we would all like to be in classes with highly intelligent peers where they all take school seriously (with a personal vested interest). Doing teamwork and projects would be great. Collaboration among students would be amazing. But that is unlikely to happen anytime soon

 

[franznietzsche]

Of course we would all like to be in classes with highly intelligent peers where they all take school seriously (with a personal vested interest). Doing teamwork and projects would be great. Collaboration among students would be amazing. But that is unlikely to happen anytime soon

I have yet to meet such people.

To be perfectly i honest. I no longer take school seriously. Structured education is a waste of time. Something i ahve to do because the powers that be say so. It would be much more productive to learn independently at my own my pace. Right now I'm learning far more doing independent work with a professor on Astrophysics than the basic required course that i ahve to take coul ever teach me. I could teach some of the classes I'm forced to take.

"Classes will dull your mind and eliminate the potential for authentic creativity"

 

[singleton]

I have yet to meet such people.

To be perfectly i honest. I no longer take school seriously. Structured education is a waste of time. Something i ahve to do because the powers that be say so. It would be much more productive to learn independently at my own my pace. Right now I'm learning far more doing independent work with a professor on Astrophysics than the basic required course that i ahve to take coul ever teach me. I could teach some of the classes I'm forced to take.

"Classes will dull your mind and eliminate the potential for authentic creativity"

I have not been in any class like that either--but if you culled the population using GPA then you'd probably (not always) be left with the brighter students.

Yes of course some people will always maintain that your GPA doesn't matter. We are all modest Good Will Huntings (kidding). We purposely have poor grades
In reality the majority of the time a student with a 3.8+ GPA knows his stuff much more than a student with a barely passing GPA who "knows everything" but, you know, just doesn't want high marks heh. Give me a break

I'll agree that some of the most significant learning you will do is on your own. School is only meant as an introduction to get your feet wet. You must carry yourself and invest much of your own time to excel in any subject pretty much.

 

[franznietzsche]

In reality the majority of the time a student with a 3.8+ GPA knows his stuff much more than a student with a barely passing GPA who "knows everything" but, you know, just doesn't want high marks heh. Give me a break

I never said that. I said that the education system in the US, as it is, is a waste of time.

I'll agree that some of the most significant learning you will do is on your own. School is only meant as an introduction to get your feet wet. You must carry yourself and invest much of your own time to excel in any subject pretty much.

What school is meant as, and what it is are two very different things.

 

[singleton]

I never said that. I said that the education system in the US, as it is, is a waste of time.

It was a culmination of my thoughts and what others have said in this particular thread. It wasn't directed at your comment even though I used one large response heh.

 

[JasonRox]

I have yet to meet such people.

To be perfectly i honest. I no longer take school seriously. Structured education is a waste of time. Something i ahve to do because the powers that be say so. It would be much more productive to learn independently at my own my pace. Right now I'm learning far more doing independent work with a professor on Astrophysics than the basic required course that i ahve to take coul ever teach me. I could teach some of the classes I'm forced to take.

"Classes will dull your mind and eliminate the potential for authentic creativity"

Same here. I don't take it seriously anymore either.