Why do I have to flip the equation in this problem?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving similar triangles and trigonometric relationships, specifically addressing the confusion around flipping an equation related to cosine and its reciprocal, secant. Participants express their difficulties with the problem's presentation and the lack of explanation for certain steps.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over the expectation to intuitively know to flip the equation without explanation, questioning the clarity of the problem.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the confusion stems from the specific equation involving B'C and its relationship to cosine.
  • Some participants note that the problem did not clearly state the equality of certain lengths, leading to further confusion.
  • There is a discussion about using tangent versus cosine to solve for lengths, with differing opinions on the appropriateness of methods used.
  • One participant suggests that the problem could have been phrased differently to avoid confusion regarding the use of secant.
  • Another participant explains the mathematical operation of taking reciprocals and how it relates to the problem, emphasizing that flipping the fraction is a valid operation.
  • There is a request for the complete problem statement to better understand the context of the discussion.

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Participants generally do not agree on the clarity of the problem or the methods used to solve it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriateness of the mathematical operations and the presentation of the problem.

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Participants highlight limitations in the problem's presentation, including missing assumptions about length equality and the lack of a complete problem statement, which may contribute to the confusion experienced.

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Another similar triangles problem... Woo hoo. This one was way more bizarre than any other, and is exactly why I have difficulty with these problems. For some reason, the problem expects me to have some inherent intuition and automatically know I'm supposed to flip the problem randomly, and gives absolutely no explanation as to why. Cosine (CAH) is Adjacent over Hypotenuse. For whatever reason, they flipped it, making it Hypotenuse over Adjacent, and didn't explain in the steps why. This is why I am having a hard time learning similar triangles. There's obviously a hidden step I'm missing because it isn't being explained, just done.
 
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Do you mean that when they said they want the length of B'C, and so solved for B'C in the equation, you did not understand that?
 
Sure, I guess that is better than anything… They didn't give any description of what they were doing at all, so it's pretty unclear to me what's going on
 
JR Sauerland said:
Sure, I guess that is better than anything… They didn't give any description of what they were doing at all, so it's pretty unclear to me what's going on

But they ended with B'D = ... which would imply that their intent was to find the length of B'D. If you were asked to solve for B'C in the equation

[tex]\frac{DC}{B'C}=\cos\left(∠B'CD\right)[/tex]

Given that you know the other values, how would you have done it?
 
In the question, it actually did not even state that BC is the same length as BC or AD. The only time it actually stated that was after I opted to show the answer and solution. I suppose it's one of those things where you're inherently supposed to know. Just like in statistics where they ask you the chance of joined a king or a jack and a standard deck of 32 cards, they never tell you how many jacks or kings are in a standard deck of 52 cards to begin with. I don't play poker, and I also don't fold papers in half or diagonally on my spare time so I wouldn't know that.

But to answer your question, I had thought I was supposed to create an equation of opposite over adjacent, and take tangent of the angle to get B'D, and then from there I was lost.
 
Mentallic said:
But they ended with B'D = ... which would imply that their intent was to find the length of B'D. If you were asked to solve for B'C in the equation

[tex]\frac{DC}{B'C}=\cos\left(∠B'CD\right)[/tex]

Given that you know the other values, how would you have done it?
Additionally, instead of just randomly flipping the equation with no explanation, why couldn't they just phrase it a little differently? 1/COS(x) is the secant. If they would've literally just said to take the secant, which is hypotenuse over adjacent... Idk. I'm just not used to this type of problem I guess.
 
JR Sauerland said:
In the question, it actually did not even state that BC is the same length as BC or AD. The only time it actually stated that was after I opted to show the answer and solution... and I also don't fold papers in half or diagonally on my spare time so I wouldn't know that.
I don't either, but it makes sense that if you fold the corner B over to B' and crease the paper along the line stated, then clearly BC = B'C because you've just folded BC over to B'C.

JR Sauerland said:
But to answer your question, I had thought I was supposed to create an equation of opposite over adjacent, and take tangent of the angle to get B'D, and then from there I was lost.
That's also a valid method of solving for B'D, but it doesn't help with finding B'C (which we are doing so that we can find the dimensions of the paper since B'C = BC). The solution also opted to use the Pythagorean theorem to find B'D as opposed to using tan as you would have done, likely just to remind you that you can use it as it often goes hand-in-hand with trigonometry.

JR Sauerland said:
Additionally, instead of just randomly flipping the equation with no explanation, why couldn't they just phrase it a little differently? 1/COS(x) is the secant. If they would've literally just said to take the secant, which is hypotenuse over adjacent... Idk. I'm just not used to this type of problem I guess.
It's not randomly flipping. It's called taking the reciprocal and it's a valid operation.

If [itex]x=y[/itex] then I'm sure you'll agree that [itex]\frac{1}{x}=\frac{1}{y}[/itex]

Also,
[tex]\frac{1}{\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)}=\frac{b}{a}[/tex]
so the reciprocal is essentially flipping the fraction. Hence, if you have

[tex]\frac{a}{b}=\frac{c}{d}[/tex]
then we can take the reciprocal of both sides to get
[tex]\frac{1}{\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)}=\frac{1}{\left(\frac{c}{d}\right)}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{b}{a}=\frac{d}{c}[/tex]

But also multiplying both sides by the lowest common denominator which in this case is bd would also be a way of solving for a value that's found in the denominator. Cross multiplying is the quick way to think about this operation, just as how flipping the fraction is the quick way of thinking about taking the reciprocal.

JR Sauerland said:
1/COS(x) is the secant. If they would've literally just said to take the secant, which is hypotenuse over adjacent... Idk. I'm just not used to this type of problem I guess.
Going from
[tex]\sec{x}=\frac{a}{b}[/tex]
straight to
[tex]\cos{x}=\frac{b}{a}[/tex]
would've likely caused confusion for other students too.
 
It would also help us if you would post the complete problem statement. As it stands, the image in the OP appears to start in the middle of the solution.
 

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