Why Do LS and jj Coupling Differ in Spectral Line Transitions?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between LS and jj coupling in the context of spectral line transitions, specifically focusing on the emission spectrum of mercury (Hg) and the interpretation of term symbols. Participants explore the implications of these coupling schemes for understanding atomic transitions, particularly in heavy atoms like Hg.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the interpretation of the term symbol for the Hg spectral line at 253.7 nm, expressing confusion about the values of S, J, and L.
  • Another participant provides information on the strong emission lines of Hg, noting variability in their intensities and referencing a source for this data.
  • Some participants discuss the relative strengths of interactions in light versus heavy atoms, suggesting that this influences the choice between LS and jj coupling.
  • There is a claim that in light atoms, the electrostatic interaction between outer electrons is stronger than spin-orbit interactions, justifying the use of Russell-Saunders coupling.
  • Conversely, it is argued that in heavy atoms, the spin-spin and electrostatic interactions are weaker, making LS coupling less appropriate than jj coupling.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for clarification on why the addition procedures differ between light and heavy atoms, seeking a deeper understanding of the underlying physics.
  • Several participants engage in clarifying the notation and terminology used in the discussion, particularly regarding the term symbols and their components.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of term symbols and the appropriateness of coupling schemes for different atomic types. While some points are clarified, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental reasons for the differences in addition procedures between LS and jj coupling.

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Participants reference various sources and historical experiments, such as the Franck-Hertz experiment, to support their claims. There are mentions of specific quantum mechanical principles and notation that may require further context for full understanding.

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My question is divided into two:
a. One of Hg spectral lines is a strong one, 253.7 nm, emitted by transition from 3P1 (triplet) to 1S0 (singlet). I'm afraid I don't read the 1st state right, since it says S=1 (due to 2S+1=3) & J=1, hence (?) L=0. However, P means L=1, isn't it ? What am I missing here ?
b. In LS coupling (mainly light atoms) we add all Ls & all Ss separately 1st, and only then add the sums to get J , while for very heavy atoms (e.g., Hg), the right model is jj coupling, hence the order of addition differs: we combine 1st pairs of L & S, then add the sums together to get J. I know that the reason behind the different procedures is the change in the relative strength between LL/SS interactions & LS interaction (the latter being stronger in heavy atoms). What I don't understand is why it is so. Namely, why one type of interaction necessitates the specific procedure used, but the other is wrong ? What's the relation between a dominant interaction & its appropriate way of vector addition ?
Thanks, BC
 
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bentzy said:
One of Hg spectral lines is a strong one, 253.7 nm, emitted by transition from 3P1 (triplet) to 1S0 (singlet). I'm afraid I don't read the 1st state right, since it says S=1 (due to 2S+1=3) & J=1, hence (?) L=0. However, P means L=1, isn't it ? What am I missing here ?

Hg- strong emission lines occur at 546, 436, and 545 nm. There is substantial variability in the intensity of emissions at 611, 544, 574, 546, 436, 545, 578, 437 and 530 nm.

for vapour lamp The primary emission lines are at 546 and 578 nm. Secondary emission lines are at 366, 403, 435, 1,012, 1,125, 1,362, 1,525, 1,688 and 1,692 nm.

i was wondering about you data..
the above source is

<https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Emission-spectrum-of-a-mercury-vapor-lamp_fig5>
 
bentzy said:
What I don't understand is why it is so. Namely, why one type of interaction necessitates the specific procedure used, but the other is wrong ? What's the relation between a dominant interaction & its appropriate way of vector addition ?

In light atoms the electrostatic interaction between the outer electrons are stronger than spin -orbital interaction;the spin-spin interaction is

also much larger than (ls) interaction therefore Russel Saunders coupling is used.the weak coupling leads to L +S giving J values.

But in heavy atoms the Valence electrons are placed after a great volume of electronic shells so the electrostatic interaction as well as

spin-spin interaction term is weaker than ls term ,therefore the jj coupling is used. you can get a graphical comparison in the ref. given below

<http://www.pci.tu-bs.de/aggericke/PC3e_osv/Kap_V/Russel.htm>
 
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drvrm said:
Hg- strong emission lines occur at 546, 436, and 545 nm. There is substantial variability in the intensity of emissions at 611, 544, 574, 546, 436, 545, 578, 437 and 530 nm.

for vapour lamp The primary emission lines are at 546 and 578 nm. Secondary emission lines are at 366, 403, 435, 1,012, 1,125, 1,362, 1,525, 1,688 and 1,692 nm.

i was wondering about you data..
the above source is

<https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Emission-spectrum-of-a-mercury-vapor-lamp_fig5>
drvrm said:
Hg- strong emission lines occur at 546, 436, and 545 nm. There is substantial variability in the intensity of emissions at 611, 544, 574, 546, 436, 545, 578, 437 and 530 nm.

for vapour lamp The primary emission lines are at 546 and 578 nm. Secondary emission lines are at 366, 403, 435, 1,012, 1,125, 1,362, 1,525, 1,688 and 1,692 nm.

i was wondering about you data..
the above source is

<https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Emission-spectrum-of-a-mercury-vapor-lamp_fig5>
I'll study the reference you quote, but these don't contradict the well-known UV line I'm talking about, and I'm surprised by your wondering.
1st: there's the transition described in my original question, which is allowed by jj-coupling for very heavy atoms, hence 253/7 nm line.
2nd: historically, this line is the line observed in Franck-Hertz famous experiment.
 
bentzy said:
I'll study the reference you quote, but these don't contradict the well-known UV line I'm talking about, and I'm surprised by your wondering.
1st: there's the transition described in my original question, which is allowed by jj-coupling for very heavy atoms, hence 253/7 nm line.
2nd: historically, this line is the line observed in Franck-Hertz famous experiment.

Now, regarding your 1st reply: I know about the relative interaction strengths, which is evident from my very question, and I'm afraid you missed my main 2 emphases, and didn't refer or answer them: (a) explaining the alleged contradiction in the term symbol quoted, & (b) why in the case of light atoms the addition procedure used is physicslly correct, while for (very) heavy atoms the 2nd procedure is the right one ? I hope that my refocused questions are clearer now.
 
bentzy said:
I'm afraid I don't read the 1st state right, since it says S=1 (due to 2S+1=3) & J=1, hence (?) L=0.

No, that's not correct. The 3 refers to the 3rd energy level, P means L = 1, and 1 means (I think) m = 1 (for L = 1 there are three possible orbitals, denoted by m = 1, 0, and -1).
 
No, the symbol didn't include n, the main quantum number, which is written in plain script. The 3 is in superscript, and denotes the multiplicity of the state which is 3 in this case (triplet), hence total S of the state is 1 (due to 2S+1=3>>S=1).

Are you familiar with the notions of multiplicity and its context ?
 
bentzy said:
The 3 is in superscript

Is that how it was in the source you got this from? Can you give a reference?
 
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I'm not just quoting, I'm working on this.

These subscripts are well-known. especially in the context of electronic spectroscopy.

You can find this in every advanced book on the subject, e.g., Quantum Physics of atoms, molecules etc, by R Eisberg & R Resnick, and Concepts of Modern Physics, by A Beiser.
 
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bentzy said:
I'm not just quoting, I'm working on this.

Understood. But your OP did not have the subscripts so it was easy to misinterpret. There are two ways to do subscripts here on PF: you can use BBCode or LaTeX. The results will look like these:

3P1

##{}^3 P_1##

I've used BBCode in the quote from your post below, and LaTeX in my responses below.

bentzy said:
One of Hg spectral lines is a strong one, 253.7 nm, emitted by transition from 3P1 (triplet) to 1S0 (singlet).

Just to expand on this, the Hg atom has two electrons in the highest ##n = 6## energy level. As I understand it (see below), the ##{}^3 P_1## state has one of these electrons in the ##6\text{p}## orbital instead of the ##6\text{s}## orbital (the ground state ##{}^1 S_0## has both electrons in the ##6\text{s}## orbital).

bentzy said:
S=1 (due to 2S+1=3) & J=1, hence (?) L=0. However, P means L=1

Yes, the ##{}^3 P_1## state has ##L = 1##. The reason is, as above, that one of the two ##n = 6## electrons is in a ##\text{p}## orbital, while the other is in an ##\text{s}## orbital. So the total orbital angular momentum is ##1 + 0 = 1##.

The fact that ##S = 1## indicates that the two electrons have parallel spins.

The reason ##J = 1## is possible is that ##J## does not have to be the algebraic sum ##L + S##. The allowed magnitudes of ##J## are ##L + S##, ##L + S - 1##, and so on down to ##| L - S |##. In this case, ##L = S = 1##, that means ##J = 0##, ##J = 1##, and ##J = 2## are all allowed.
 
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bentzy said:
(a) explaining the alleged contradiction in the term symbol quoted
@PeterDonis has answered that in #11 above.

bentzy said:
(b) why in the case of light atoms the addition procedure used is physicslly correct, while for (very) heavy atoms the 2nd procedure is the right one ?
That was answered by @drvrm in post #3.
 
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DrClaude said:
@PeterDonis has answered that in #11 above.That was answered by @drvrm in post #3.
Thank you for the discussion so far. Nevertheless, my question regarding the difference in the procedure of addition remained (I've read the ref you quoted), and I'll rephrase it: in LS coupling the Ls/Ss are coupled since due to the relatively strong electric intercation between pairs of Ls or Ss. My question is, focused on this extreme, why do we have to add the Ls/Ss first ? Why preceding adding pairs of L & S first, in this case, is wrong ?
Let me also add the following: why do we consider in this case the strength of the electric interaction between the Ls etc ? where's the magnetic interaction between them ? is it just because it's much weaker ?
Same question goes for jj-coupling, but the opposite is valid here: we consider the magnetic interaction between an L & an S, and neglecting the electric one.

That's all, so far,
BC
 

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