Why do most galaxies have a flat, disc-like shape?

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The discussion revolves around the shape and orientation of galaxies, specifically focusing on why most galaxies exhibit a flat, disc-like shape. Participants explore whether the planes of these galaxies are aligned in a particular way or if their orientations are random, considering both observational evidence and classification systems.

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  • Some participants suggest that most galaxies are shaped like flat discs, with a thickness ratio of approximately 10 to 30 times wider than thick.
  • There is a question about whether the planes of galaxies are aligned at the same angle from our perspective or if they vary.
  • One participant asserts that the orientation of galaxies is completely random, with no known pattern.
  • Another participant notes that different galaxies can appear edge-on, at an oblique angle, or nearly perpendicular to our line of sight, indicating variability in orientation.
  • It is mentioned that distance does not influence the orientation of galaxies, as a nearby galaxy can be perpendicular while a distant one can appear horizontal.
  • A participant references a study by the Galaxy Zoo team, which found no inherent bias in the rotation or orientation of galaxies, despite a perceived predominance of certain shapes in classifications.

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Participants express differing views on the randomness of galaxy orientations, with some asserting randomness while others provide observational evidence that suggests variability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding whether any patterns exist in the orientations of galaxies.

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Participants reference various sources, including astronomical photographs and classification systems, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the influence of distance on orientation and the potential biases in observational studies.

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Most ( or probably all?) galaxies are shaped like flat discs (10/30 times wider than thick).
Are their planes all aligned on the same angle (from our point of view) or they vary?
If so, is it just casual orientation or it follows a certain pattern, for example the angle grows proportionally to distance?
 
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The orientation of galaxies is completely random. There is no known pattern as far as I know.
 
bobie said:
Most ( or probably all?) galaxies are shaped like flat discs (10/30 times wider than thick).

There is a classification of galaxies by their shapes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy

Are their planes all aligned on the same angle (from our point of view) or they vary?
If so, is it just casual orientation or it follows a certain pattern, for example the angle grows proportionally to distance?

The orientation of different galaxies appears to be somewhat random, as can be seen by examining
astronomical photographs from the Hubble Space Telescope:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/b...e-the-hubble-extreme-deep-field/#.U7O60bGGcr4

Some galaxies appear nearly edge-on from our perspective, some are at an oblique angle, and some appear to be almost perpendicular to our line of sight.
 
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SteamKing said:
There is a classification of galaxies by their shapes:
Some galaxies appear nearly edge-on from our perspective, some are at an oblique angle, and some appear to be almost perpendicular to our line of sight.

Thanks, so a near galaxy can be perpendicular and one 10Gly away can be horizontal!
Distance has no influence at all.
 
bobie said:
Thanks, so a near galaxy can be perpendicular and one 10Gly away can be horizontal!
Distance has no influence at all.

none at all
 
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sounds like maybe you haven't seen any images of galaxies
here's one taken by the Hubble Space Telescope
This shows just a tiny portion of sky, just about every object in this image is a galaxy
note all the different orientations
also note the different types of galaxies ... spiral, elliptical etc

There's probably 1000's of galaxies in this image :smile:

attachment.php?attachmentid=71044&stc=1&d=1404300685.jpg



cheers
Dave
 

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There was some really interesting work by the galaxy zoo team on this. They asked people to classify disk galaxies as being rotating counter clockwise (s like) or clockwise (z like). They actually found that there are more s like galaxies. To uncover this, they took the sample and flipped the images ( s -> z like ; z -> s like ) and found that people still classified the s type as being more prominent.

There could be many factors that contribute to this, from the placement of the websites voting buttons to people finding it easier to pick out certain shapes in images. But the end result was that there is no inherent bias in how galaxy rotate or are oriented.

More information: http://blog.galaxyzoo.org/2008/01/10/in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/
 
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