Why Do Solutions to This ODE Differ?

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation given by \( y \sin(x) = y \ln(y) \). Participants are attempting to solve this equation and are comparing their results with those found in a textbook, specifically focusing on the discrepancies in the solutions obtained.

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  • One participant presents a solution approach involving separation of variables and integration, leading to a transformation of the original equation.
  • Another participant reiterates the same steps and suggests an alternative method for solving the integral, emphasizing the use of substitutions.
  • A later reply points out that the original poster's particular solution, \( y = 1 \), does not match the solution provided in the textbook, indicating a potential issue with the integration or assumptions made during the solution process.
  • Participants discuss the implications of their different approaches and the resulting solutions, but do not reach a consensus on the correctness of any particular method or solution.

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Participants do not generally agree, as there are multiple competing views regarding the solution methods and the correctness of the results obtained. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which approach yields the correct solution.

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There are limitations in the discussion, including potential missing assumptions in the integration steps and the dependence on the definitions of the functions involved. The participants have not resolved these issues.

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$$\[y'sin(x)= yln(y)\]

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Hi, I am trying to solve this one but i can't find the same result of the book:
Here is my solution:

 
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\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dy}{dx}\sin{(x)} &= y\ln{(y)} \\ \frac{1}{y\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{1}{\sin{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{\sin^2{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}} \\ \int{\frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx}\,dx} &= \int{\frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,dy} &= -\int{ \frac{-\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \end{align*}

Now make the substitutions \displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \ln{(y)} \implies du = \frac{1}{y}\,dy \end{align*} and \displaystyle \begin{align*} v = \cos{(x)} \implies dv = -\sin{(x)}\,dx \end{align*} and the DE becomes

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{\frac{1}{u}\,du} &= -\int{ \frac{1}{1 - v^2}\,dv} \end{align*}

This should now be easy to solve. The RHS requires partial fractions.
 
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\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dy}{dx}\sin{(x)} &= y\ln{(y)} \\ \frac{1}{y\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{1}{\sin{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{\sin^2{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}} \\ \int{\frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx}\,dx} &= \int{\frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,dy} &= -\int{ \frac{-\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \end{align*}

Now make the substitutions \displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \ln{(y)} \implies du = \frac{1}{y}\,dy \end{align*} and \displaystyle \begin{align*} v = \cos{(x)} \implies dv = -\sin{(x)}\,dx \end{align*} and the DE becomes

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{\frac{1}{u}\,du} &= -\int{ \frac{1}{1 - v^2}\,dv} \end{align*}

This should now be easy to solve. The RHS requires partial fractions.

Alternatively, you could have that

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{1}{y\ln y}\frac{dy}{dx} &= \csc x\\ \frac{1}{y\ln y}\frac{dy}{dx} &= \csc x \cdot \frac{\csc x + \cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}\\ \frac{1}{y\ln y}\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\csc^2x + \csc x\cot x}{\csc x + \cot x}\\ \int\frac{1}{y\ln y}\,dy &= -\int\frac{-\csc^2x-\csc x\cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}\,dx\end{aligned}$$

Making the substitutions $u=\ln y\implies \,du=\frac{1}{y}\,dy$ and $v=\csc x+\cot x \implies \,dv = -\csc^2x-\csc x\cot x\,dx$ transforms the problem into
$$\int\frac{1}{u}\,du = -\int\frac{1}{v}\,dv$$
which is an easy problem to solve from here. The reason why I also present it this way is because the OP seems to be relying on the fact that $\displaystyle\int \csc x \,dx = -\ln|\csc x + \cot x| + C$ in the solution attempt seen in their original post.
 
Actually the problem isn't solve the integral, as you can see in my link "
" with my solution i found a particular solution that isn't the same of book: "y = 1".
 

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