Why Do Water Molecules Attract Each Other Despite Complete Electron Shells?

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The discussion revolves around the attraction between water molecules despite the presence of complete electron shells in the constituent atoms. Participants explore the concepts of electronegativity, dipoles, and hydrogen bonding, delving into the underlying reasons for molecular attraction in water.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why water molecules attract each other when hydrogen atoms fill the oxygen's electron shell, suggesting a link to oxygen's electronegativity.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of dipoles, indicating that the attraction arises from the dipole nature of water molecules.
  • A participant seeks clarification on why oxygen remains partially electronegative despite having two hydrogen atoms, positing that it relates to the number of protons in the oxygen nucleus.
  • A later reply challenges the notion of oxygen being "partially electronegative," emphasizing the distinction between electronegativity and electric charge.
  • One participant explains hydrogen bonding, noting that the uneven distribution of electron density around the oxygen atom leads to significant intermolecular attractions, and describes the structural arrangement of water molecules in terms of lone pairs and bonding.
  • Another participant reiterates the concept of dipoles and the role of electronegativity in the unequal sharing of electrons in O-H bonds, contributing to the overall dipole moment of water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electronegativity and its implications for molecular attraction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the characterization of oxygen's electronegativity and the nuances of hydrogen bonding.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of electronegativity and electric charge, as well as the assumptions made about molecular interactions. The complexity of hydrogen bonding and the role of molecular geometry are also noted but not fully resolved.

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If the two hydrogen atoms have filled the oxygen shell, why are other H2O molecules attracted to each other?

I think it's something to do with oxygen being highly electronegative, but the oxygen has a complete shell with the addition of 2 hydrogen atoms.
 
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Several levels on which it can be discussed. The simplest explanation - dipoles attract.
 
Thanks, I looked up dipoles. The electrons are pulled towards the oxygen atom as it's highly electronegative, causing the dipole.

Why is oxygen still in a partially electronegative state when it has the two hydrogen atoms contributing the missing two electrons?

I'm assuming it's because the nucleus of the oxygen atom still only has 8 protons.
 
skyshrimp said:
Why is oxygen still in a partially electronegative state

Do you understand the difference between electronegativity and electric charge? Oxygen is not "partially electronegative".
 
Look up 'hydrogen bonding'.

Basically, a disproportionate amount of the electron density in water surrounds the oxygen atom as it is more electronegative than hydrogen.
So when you have a bunch of water molecules, the hydrogen atoms of one molecule are attracted to the oxygen atoms of another.

It goes a little bit further than that though, as the 8 electrons that surround oxygen in water are grouped into pairs (2 of these are called 'lone pairs' as they are not engaged in covalent bonding), and the 'hydrogen bonds' that form between water molecules form along an axis that looks like this O:-H-O where the hyphens are bonds (covalent or otherwise), and the colon is a lone pair.

Water, having 2 exposed H-bond donors and 2 exposed H-bond acceptors per molecule, forms hydrogen bonds to a huge degree, which is why, even though it is one of the smallest, lightest molecules around, it 'sticks' to itself enough to form oceans.

Hope that helps.
 
skyshrimp said:
Thanks, I looked up dipoles. The electrons are pulled towards the oxygen atom as it's highly electronegative, causing the dipole.

Why is oxygen still in a partially electronegative state when it has the two hydrogen atoms contributing the missing two electrons?

I'm assuming it's because the nucleus of the oxygen atom still only has 8 protons.

The idea of valence (first complete row elements "wanting" to be surrounded by eight electrons) is an approximation of the truth. In simple descriptions of bonding using these kind of ideas, one of the first "tweaks" to the zeroth-order picture of sharing electrons in covalent bonds to fill the octet, is the idea that sharing is never equal when the two atoms forming the bond are different. It is at about this time that the idea of electronegativity is introduced. In the Pauling picture of electronegativity, the electronegativity of an atom is higher if the ionization energy is higher and is also higher if the electron affinity is higher. The atoms with the highest electornegativity on the Pauling scale are the ones with a high ionization potential AND a high electron affinity. Oxygen has a high electronegativity. Hydrogen less so. So, the end result is that the shared electrons in the covalent pair making up the O-H bond in water are shared unevenly, with the O getting more and the H getting less. As a result, the oxygen has a partial negative charge and the hydrogen has a slight positive charge. The bent geometry of water guarantees that these two "bond dipoles" add constructively so that the water molecule has a significant, non-zero dipole moment.
 

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