Why do we have Newton's first law

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The discussion revolves around the reasoning behind Newton's first law of motion, exploring the philosophical and conceptual implications of the law rather than its mathematical formulation. Participants express curiosity about the "why" of the law and its foundational role in understanding motion.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the nature of "why" in scientific laws, suggesting that science may not adequately answer such questions.
  • One participant proposes that Newton's first law indicates that in the absence of external forces, objects do not come to rest, contrasting with pre-Newtonian ideas.
  • Another participant suggests that observations and descriptions of forces lead to the formulation of Newton's laws, emphasizing the historical context of Newton's work.
  • There is a discussion about the acceptability of answers, with some participants expressing a desire for answers that are not overly simplistic.
  • One participant connects the first law to the second law, explaining that a zero resultant force implies no acceleration, leading to constant velocity or rest.
  • A participant mentions a resource, "The Mechanical Universe," which provides historical context for understanding Newton's first law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the "why" of Newton's first law, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of answering "why" questions in science, indicating a dependence on definitions and the subjective nature of acceptable answers.

Quantum Velocity
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Hey guy!
I know how Newton's first law said but i can't understand why.
So can you pleas help and tell me why.
Thank you!
 
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What do you accept as an answer? Newton's first law says, if nothing happens, then everything stays as it is. Shouldn't it be far more questionable, if this was not the case?
 
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Why is if nothing happens, then everything stays as it is
 
Quantum Velocity said:
Why is if nothing happens, then everything stays as it is
I don't think science can answer a "why" question, but I don't think I'd want to live in a universe where things happened for no reason!
 
Quantum Velocity said:
Why is if nothing happens, then everything stays as it is
Isn't this your daily experience? There is no answer as to "why" questions. Therefore I asked you on which basis you would accept an answer. You have to define first, what is acceptable and what is not. I assume it wouldn't satisfy you if I said: "Because it's how universe is built." So what to use instead as common basis?
Have a look:

 
Quantum Velocity said:
I know how Newton's first law said but i can't understand why.
A pre-Newtonian idea might be that in the absence of external influences, all objects come to rest. Newton's first law says that this is not so. If you look closely, when something comes to rest it is the result of the action of an external force. Remove that force and the object keeps moving.
 
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As fresh_42 said: "Therefore I asked you on which basis you would accept an answer."

I think i want a simple but not too simple answer like: "Because it's how universe is built."

And the video you show me, it was verry useful. Thank!
 
Quantum Velocity said:
but not too simple answer like: "Because it's how universe is built."

Well, most of the "why?" questions sooner or later will end up with that answer...
 
Ha! Nice one!
 
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A less "final" answer could be: It is due to observations and the way we describe things like action or motion, or in general the change of states. And every time something changes as @jbriggs444 has mentioned, there can be observed a force: friction, air resistance or a direct push. Removing these forces leads to a static system (in the sense that differentiating along time equals zero). So Newton's laws are careful observations expressed in the physical, resp. mathematical language we use to describe observations.

Why do we have it? Because that's what scientists do, they observe and try to find a pattern. It might well be that he wasn't the first one to observe these laws, but it happened that the constellation of historic era (at the end of renaissance and the beginning of the age of enlightenment), global context (Europe), human cultural development (Latin as language of science, long enough after Gutenberg) as well as the personal situation of Newton (royal astrologist) allowed him to observe it and write it down and be read by others of his time.
 
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Quantum Velocity said:
Hey guy!
I know how Newton's first law said but i can't understand why.
So can you pleas help and tell me why.
Thank you!

You picked out the first law only does that mean you understand the second law? If so you can imagine the first law as a special case of the second law:

When the resultant force (F) is zero the acceleration (a) must be zero. If the object is not accelerating it must be at rest or moving with a constant velocity (moving in a straight line and at steady speed).
 
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I've been watching The Mechanical Universe lately, and have found it really good. Maybe this episode will interest you.



It has a lot of historical context that explains where the first law of Newton comes from.
 
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