Why do we use Radian measurement for Time?

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of radians and degrees in trigonometric functions, specifically when calculating the rotation of a ferris wheel. The main point is that radians are the natural units for trigonometric functions and using degrees can lead to messy formulas. It is important to properly convert between radians and degrees when working with trigonometric functions involving time. It is also important to use an angular frequency unit when dealing with time in trigonometric functions. Ultimately, the graph of sin(t) versus time will be the same regardless of whether radians or degrees are used, as long as the appropriate conversions are made.
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I had a problem where we had to write out the sinusoidal function for the rotation of a ferris wheel. My teacher said that because the rotation was a function of time (x-axis was time), we had to use radians and not degrees.
Could someone explain to me if/why you need to use radian measurement for time when calculating things like the period and frequency, or can you just as easily scale the graph for degrees. Thanks!
 
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Radians are actually dimensionless units. They are chosen so that sector area and arclength have the simple forms: [itex]s = r\theta[/itex] and [itex] A = \frac{1}{2}r^2 \theta[/itex]. If you used degrees these would be "messy".

I teach my students that "we always use radians" we just hide the fact. Treat the degree symbol as a number (pi/180). Thus e.g. [itex]360^o = 360 \cdot \frac{\pi}{180} = 2\pi[/itex]. The only problem with this is that calculators do not explicitly show the degree symbol so there you have to be careful about modes.

As for using time units, you should never have bare time units inside a trig function. The time unit should be multiplied by an angular frequency unit [itex] \omega[/itex] (radians per second ) so that [itex] \sin(\omega t) [/itex] is evaluating sine of a pure radian value.

Now you actually could work with "degrees per second" angular frequency but that too makes for bad formulas, e.g. speed (v) of a point rotating on a circle is [itex] v = r \omega[/itex] provided [itex]\omega[/itex] is radians per time unit.

As far as graphing goes if it is a function of time then it should be scaled in time units. If you would post the format of the question I might better understand what your teacher is insisting upon.

The main thing is that radians are the natural units of the trigonometric functions. (for example there is a small angle approximation sin(x) ~ x for small values, but only when you're working in radian units!) Get used to working in radians and converting between degrees and radians (and decimal cycles i.e. 360deg = 2 pi radians = 1 cycle).
 
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You don't need to scale the graph, since you're plotting sin() versus time, but as previously posted, you'd need to specify the rotation of the ferris wheel in terms of radians per second or degrees per second and convert to the type of angle that the sin function uses.

Assuming that a sin function only takes radians as an input, you'd need to convert degrees to radians anyway:

For degrees, if the ferris wheel rotates d (degrees / second), you use

sin(t seconds x d (degrees / second) x (π radians / (180 degrees)))

For radians, if the ferris wheel rotates at ω radians per second, you use

sin(t seconds x ω (radians / second))

In either case, the graph of sin(t ...) (y axis) versus time (x axis) will be the same.
 
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FAQ: Why do we use Radian measurement for Time?

1. Why do we use radians instead of degrees to measure time?

Radians are used as a unit of measurement for time because they are a more accurate and precise way to measure angles. Degrees are not precise enough for scientific calculations, and radians provide a more consistent measurement system.

2. How does using radians benefit us when measuring time?

Using radians allows for easier and more accurate mathematical calculations when dealing with circular motion and periodic phenomena, which are common in time measurement. It also simplifies equations and makes them more elegant.

3. Is there a historical reason for using radians to measure time?

Yes, the use of radians in time measurement dates back to the 17th century, when French mathematician and philosopher René Descartes proposed the idea of measuring angles in terms of the length of the arc on a circle. This concept was later refined by Swiss mathematician Leonhard Euler, who introduced the term "radian" in 1873.

4. How are radians related to the concept of time?

Radians are closely related to the concept of time because they represent an angle formed by the intersection of two lines, which can be used to measure the movement of an object over time. This is particularly useful in fields such as physics, astronomy, and engineering.

5. Are there any other benefits to using radians for time measurement?

Aside from its accuracy and historical significance, using radians for time measurement also allows for consistency and compatibility in calculations and equations across different fields of science. It also simplifies conversions between different units of measurement, making it a universal standard for measuring angles in time-related phenomena.

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