Why do you think humans in general are more prone to failure than success?

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The discussion centers on the concepts of success and failure, defining failure as not achieving all goals and success as achieving them. It highlights that even renowned figures like Einstein and Shakespeare experienced more failures than successes in their careers, suggesting that this pattern may be common among humans. The conversation also explores the role of education, personality, and genetics in influencing success rates, emphasizing that knowledge provides an advantage but does not guarantee success. Additionally, it questions the relativity of success, noting that personal definitions of success can vary widely based on individual goals and circumstances. Ultimately, the dialogue suggests that failure is often a prerequisite for success, as learning from failures can lead to eventual achievements.
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noblegas said:
Now you are claiming that you speak for everyone who has participated in this thread. I already made it clear that this thread would be about one particular type of success , which is the America society's definition of success, of claiming up the economic ladder , not how each individual defines success or your personal definition of success. I already said that each person has their own view of success , yet you are claiming that I am strawmaning you?

Looking at the responses in this thread you may wish to reconsider how people in general define success.
 
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My congratulations to zoobyshoe and TheStatutoryApe for having the patience and persistence to wade through those virtually incomprehensible, long-winded posts. I just plain wore out trying to get through them.
 
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GeorginaS said:
My congratulations to zoobyshoe and TheStatutoryApe for having the patience and persistence to wade through those virtually incomprehensible, long-winded posts. I just plain wore out trying to get through them.

And I am sorry that you still couldn't comprehend that the whole topic of the thread was to be about one definition of success even after I made this point clear numerous times.
 
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TheStatutoryApe said:
Looking at the responses in this thread you may wish to reconsider how people in general define success.

Go look at the first few posts of the thread. There were many users that knew what type of success that I was talking about.
 
  • #55
TheStatutoryApe said:
No one has said that failure does not exist. People have challenged what they believe is a flawed and rather limited definition of success coupled with with very broad and overgeneralized definition of failure.
You have not properly defined what failure is, if definition of failure in the context of climbing up someone ladder of success . There are areas in life that people tend to fail out more than they succeed in. There are areas at life that people equally succeed in and equally fail at. There are areas of life where people succeed more than they fail at. I am talking about the area where people fail more than succeed at their given task. This area might be paying all all of your bills. Most americans are in debt rather than debtless. Therefore, most people fail when it comes to saving and balancing their personal budget.
 
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noblegas said:
And I am sorry that you still couldn't comprehend that the whole topic of the thread was to be about one definition of success even after I made this point clear numerous times.

I can promise you there's nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.

And with that, I'm done with this.
 
  • #57
noblegas said:
You have not properly defined what failure is, if definition of failure in the context of climbing up someone ladder of success . There are areas in life that people tend to fail out more than they succeed in. There are areas at life that people equally succeed in and equally fail at. There are areas of life where people succeed more than they fail at. I am talking about the area where people fail more than succeed at their given task. This area might be paying all all of your bills. Most americans are in debt rather than debtless. Therefore, most people fail when it comes to saving and balancing their personal budget.

Personally I think that a decent general use definition for "failure" would be lack of completing the process of attaining a goal (any goal, not just a major long term goal) or doing irreparable harm to the process of attaining a goal. Simply not getting something right on the first go is not a failure (in my estimation) unless the individual gives up after that first try. Most things in life are a process, a series of multiple steps/events, and I would not consider every single misstep or accident along the way to be a failure. Nor would I consider landing short of an ultimate goal to be ultimate failure, such that a person who wishes to become a billionaire only attains the status of a multimillionaire is still a success just not as big a success as they wished to be.

You seem to be making a sort of Zeno's Paradox of success where depending on just how minuscule a level of micromanagement we use to analyze the process of attaining the end goal we can come up with such a large number of "failures" that the success appears insignificant in comparison. Rather you might realize that as far as attaining the goal is concerned Achilles wins the race.
 
  • #58
GeorginaS said:
My congratulations to zoobyshoe and TheStatutoryApe for having the patience and persistence to wade through those virtually incomprehensible, long-winded posts. I just plain wore out trying to get through them.

I'm just an argumentative bastard. :-)
 
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