Why Does a Constant Appear Only on One Side in This Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around a first-order differential equation and the process of solving it, particularly focusing on the appearance of a constant in the solution. Participants explore the steps involved in separating variables, integrating, and exponentiating to derive the solution, while questioning the role of constants in the equation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about obtaining an exponent as an answer from the differential equation.
  • Several participants propose rewriting the equation to facilitate separation of variables.
  • There are repeated inquiries about how to properly integrate and include the constant of integration in the solution.
  • One participant notes the relationship between the natural logarithm and the constant e when solving for V.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of including the constant of integration on both sides of the equation during integration.
  • Participants discuss the simplification of constants and the resulting form of the solution, questioning why a constant appears only on one side of the final equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps to solve the differential equation, but there remains some uncertainty and confusion regarding the treatment of constants during integration and their appearance in the final solution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential oversight of constants during integration and the dependence on the definitions of the variables involved. The discussion does not resolve the confusion about the constants' placement in the solution.

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I don't understand this first order differential equation:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/UUpQF4YjmjJRPvFuzGg2MhpMMMDyi2KFZPCKMKVIXGREc1owvXDzGR0bcA=s600
How is it possible to get an exponent as answer?
 
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What if Eq. (2) were re-written as follows:

dV/dt = -(E/R) * V

then, separating the variables:

dV/V = -(E/R) dt

Care to take it from here?
 
SteamKing said:
What if Eq. (2) were re-written as follows:

dV/dt = -(E/R) * V

then, separating the variables:

dV/V = -(E/R) dt

Care to take it from here?
I would like to see what comes up next! :)
 
Marcis Rancans said:
I would like to see what comes up next! :)

Why can't you solve this DE now? All you have to do is integrate both sides of the equation. :wink:
 
SteamKing said:
Why can't you solve this DE now? All you have to do is integrate both sides of the equation. :wink:
I have no idea how to get constant in front of exponent.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/5VChRnbmBvEIkRzaZU7vGVBjf1r09ypiNOhcbq4C0LlVdP_3Tqdu_Pvtrg=s600

EDIT: Forgot to add "-C" in exponent function which I got drom integration.
 
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Marcis Rancans said:
I have no idea how to get constant in front of exponent.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/5VChRnbmBvEIkRzaZU7vGVBjf1r09ypiNOhcbq4C0LlVdP_3Tqdu_Pvtrg=s600

EDIT: Forgot to add "-C" in exponent function which I got drom integration.

If you have ln V = Mess, what do you do to the LHS of the equation to get V? i.e., how is the natural log of a number related to the constant e?
 
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SteamKing said:
If you have ln V = Mess, what do you do to the LHS of the equation to get V? i.e., how is the natural log of a number related to the constant e?
Isn't that correct what I wrote? V is e^(MESS).
 
Marcis Rancans said:
Isn't that correct what I wrote? V is e^(MESS).
It is. I'm sorry for not fully recognizing that.

However, when you did the integration to obtain ln V, you forgot to include the constant of integration on the RHS, thus:

∫ dV/V = ∫ (-E/R) dt

ln V = (-E/R)*t + C

Let's say at t = 0, V = V0, then

ln V0 = C, so

ln V = (-E/R)*t + ln V0

exponentiating both sides gives:

eln V = e[(-E/R)*t + ln V0]

which can be simplified:

V = e(-E/R)*t * eln V0 {using the law of exponents}

V = V0 * e(-E/R)*t

if T = R/E, then

V = V0 * e(-t / T)
 
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SteamKing said:
It is. I'm sorry for not fully recognizing that.

However, when you did the integration to obtain ln V, you forgot to include the constant of integration on the RHS, thus:

∫ dV/V = ∫ (-E/R) dt

ln V = (-E/R)*t + C

Let's say at t = 0, V = V0, then

ln V0 = C, so

ln V = (-E/R)*t + ln V0

exponentiating both sides gives:

eln V = e[(-E/R)*t + ln V0]

which can be simplified:

V = e(-E/R)*t * eln V0 {using the law of exponents}

V = V0 * e(-E/R)*t

if T = R/E, then

V = V0 * e(-t / T)
Thanks for clear explanation! Only thing I don't understand why constant appears only on one side of equation?
 
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Marcis Rancans said:
Thanks for clear explanation! Only thing I don't understand why constant appears only on one side of equation?

Technically, integrating both sides of the equation will result in a constant of integration for each integral:

∫ dV/V = ∫ (-E/R) dt

ln V + C1 = (-E/R) * t + C2

The two separate constants of integration can be combined into one constant:

ln V = (-E/R) * t + C2 - C1 = (-E/R) * t + C, where C = C2 - C1

and the solution proceeds as described in Post #8.
 
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