Why does a jet look like this when it breaks the sound barrier?

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The discussion revolves around the visual phenomenon observed when a jet breaks the sound barrier, specifically why it appears cloud-like. Participants explore the physics behind this effect, including the conditions necessary for moisture to condense and the mechanics of shock waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the cloud-like appearance is due to moisture condensing as a result of pressure changes during supersonic flight.
  • Others propose that a rapid pressure drop leads to the condensation of moisture in the air.
  • A participant references links to previous discussions and videos that illustrate the phenomenon, indicating that the air compresses at the shock boundary and expands rapidly, cooling and condensing water vapor.
  • There is mention of a specific video showing a jet performing a supersonic flyby, which visually demonstrates the cloud formation.
  • Some participants discuss the technical aspects of photographing such events, noting that a decent camera with fast shutter speed is sufficient, and that witnessing such occurrences is rare.
  • One participant shares personal experiences related to sonic booms and their effects at different altitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic mechanism of moisture condensation due to pressure changes, but there are varying degrees of detail and understanding regarding the specifics of the phenomenon and the conditions required for it to occur.

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Some assumptions about atmospheric conditions and the specifics of pressure changes during supersonic flight are not fully explored, leaving room for further inquiry into the exact mechanisms at play.

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Individuals interested in aerodynamics, atmospheric physics, photography of aviation events, and those curious about the visual effects of supersonic flight may find this discussion relevant.

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This pic is really cool, it looksl ike a cloud. I'm only 17, so don't know much physics, i hope someone can explain this in an easier way. Why does it look like a cloud
 

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It is a cloud. The pressure change from supersonic flight can cause moisture to condense out of the air if conditions are right. Take a look a some of the links in the 'sonic boom question' thread.
 
I'll guess that it's because there is a rapid pressure drop which causes the moisture in the air to condense.
 
there's a somewhat widespread video of a jet doing a supersonic flyby of an aircraft carrier and you can see the cloud forming.
 
That pic looks great for something moving at the speed of sound! How would one photograph something like this?
 
There really isn't anything special about taking a picture like that - people take pictures of planes at air shows that are going maybe 3/4 that speed. You'd need a decent camera - with a some good zoom and fast shutter speed. It's just you don't often get the chance to see such a thing going above mach one at low altitude. The sonic boom from a plane that big, if it was really low (500 feet) would probably knock you over and maybe blow-out your eardrums. The only sonic boom I've ever heard was 50 miles off New York, so it was probably a Concorde at 40,000 feet, but it still sounded like nearby fireworks.
 
At first I thought we needed a special camera or something to do this. Thanks for clearing it up.
 
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Here's the video that has been mentioned. It really is fantastic to see this actually happening.

http://www.soargbsc.com/SoundBarrier.mpeg

Also check this one out. You don't get the vapor formation, but take a close look at the water under the aircraft...

http://mikehowells.com/superflyby.mpg

This is also what Clausius was referring to in his other thread:
http://www.fluidmech.net/tutorials/sonic/prandtl-glauert-clouds.htm
 
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