Why Does a Metal Bar Move in a Magnetic Field?

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a metal bar placed on sloped rails connected to a power supply, where the bar moves in the absence of an external magnetic field. Participants are exploring the underlying physics principles, particularly focusing on the forces at play, including magnetic and gravitational forces, and the implications of Lenz's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the forces acting on the bar, particularly questioning how the magnetic field generated by the current influences the bar's movement. There are discussions about Lenz's law and its application in this context, with some participants expressing confusion about how it relates to the bar moving upwards.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the relationship between the induced current and the motion of the bar. Some guidance has been offered regarding Lenz's law, but there remains a lack of consensus on how it applies to the specific scenario of the bar's movement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of an external magnetic field and the role of gravitational force in the system. There is also mention of the conductivity of the bar, which some participants initially considered significant but later questioned.

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Homework Statement


Can't seem to upload the figure in my workbook so I'll describe it. A metal bar is placed on 2 rails that slope up with a gradually increasing tangent. The bar has a higher conductivity than the rest of the apparatus. The 2 ends of the rails at the bottom are connected to a power supply. In the absence of any external magnetic field, a voltage was applied to produce a current in the loop. The bar gradually climbed the rails until eventually coming to rest. It was assumed that the gravitational force on the bar was equal to the magnetic force generated by the current.

I just want to know why the bar moves. none of the questions in the passage really address it.

Homework Equations



Faraday's law

The Attempt at a Solution



The only force I can think of is the one originating from the magnetic field from the current in the loop in which the metal bar is a part of but I don't think it can act on itself.

I tried to apply lenz's law but there is no External magnetic field to opposeEdit: I guess the attachment did go through
 

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Bengo said:

Homework Statement


Can't seem to upload the figure in my workbook so I'll describe it. A metal bar is placed on 2 rails that slope up with a gradually increasing tangent. The bar has a higher conductivity than the rest of the apparatus. The 2 ends of the rails at the bottom are connected to a power supply. In the absence of any external magnetic field, a voltage was applied to produce a current in the loop. The bar gradually climbed the rails until eventually coming to rest. It was assumed that the gravitational force on the bar was equal to the magnetic force generated by the current.

I just want to know why the bar moves. none of the questions in the passage really address it.

Homework Equations



Faraday's law

The Attempt at a Solution



The only force I can think of is the one originating from the magnetic field from the current in the loop in which the metal bar is a part of but I don't think it can act on itself.

I tried to apply lenz's law but there is no External magnetic field to oppose

Edit: I guess the attachment did go through
What is does Lenz's Law state?
 
SammyS said:
What is does Lenz's Law state?

It states that when there a change in the magnetic flux within a loop a current will be induced that opposes it.

If the loop starts out with no magnetic flux and then it gains magnetic flux from the emf I would think the bar would move in a way to decrease this flux but I don't know how that translates into it moving upwards
 
Bengo said:
It states that when there a change in the magnetic flux within a loop a current will be induced that opposes it.

If the loop starts out with no magnetic flux and then it gains magnetic flux from the emf I would think the bar would move in a way to decrease this flux but I don't know how that translates into it moving upwards
Yes, this is puzzling .

At first I thought that the conductivity might be the key. I don't see that as the case.
 
Maybe i left out some important info so I'll attach the passage
 

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I think you're misinterpreting this question. The bar falls due to gravity. XD

Lentz's law states that ##emf = \frac{d\phi}{dt} = \frac{d(\vec{B}\cdot \vec{A})}{dt} = emf = V = IR##
 
correction: it's -dphi/dt and the negative sign carrys through =/
 
I get that the bar falls due to gravity but It's still not clicking with me how lenz's law explains why the bar moves up in the absence of an external magnetic field. Thanks!
 

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