Why does a non-polar molecule imply insolubility in water?

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The discussion centers around the solubility of non-polar molecules in water, exploring the underlying reasons for their insolubility. It includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding molecular interactions and solvation dynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a textbook stating that alkynes are non-polar and thus insoluble in water, questioning the relevance of polarity in long alkyne molecules.
  • Another participant explains that polar molecules interact through dipole-dipole intermolecular forces, while non-polar molecules lack a dipole due to electronegativity differences.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of hydrogen bonding, noting that water's polarity leads to a preference for forming hydrogen bonds with itself rather than with non-polar molecules, resulting in a higher free energy for non-polar substances in water.
  • One participant uses an analogy involving rocks and magnets to illustrate the behavior of polar and non-polar molecules, suggesting that non-polar molecules remain separate from polar ones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various perspectives on the solubility of non-polar molecules in water, with no consensus reached on the explanations provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of molecular structure on solubility.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about molecular interactions and the nature of solubility are not fully explored, and the discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which these interactions occur.

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My textbook says, "alkynes are non-polar polar and thus insoluble in water".

If there is a long alkyne molecule, why would its solubility matter if it were polar or non-polar?
 
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Polar molecules interact through dipole-dipole intermolecular forces. A non-polar has no dipole electronegativity.
 
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It has to do with the ability of the molecule to form hydrogen bonds or not. Water molecules are polar - they have an intrinsic dipole moment, whereas non-polar molecules don't. Water molecules will want to form hydrogen bonds with each other, and any other polar atoms they can, in order to minimize the total dipole moment of the system.

When you introduce a non-polar molecule to water, the surrounding water molecules form a sort of cage around the molecule, bonding with themselves, but in a much more restricted manner than if they could make bonds with the molecule. This has a large entropic penalty associated with it, and so the free energy, [itex]\Delta G = H - TS[/itex] is positive. Hence non-polar substances do not like to dissolve in polar solvents.
 
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If you fill a bucket with rocks and magnets, what will happen? The magnets will clump together, and the rocks will be left to themselves. Same thing with polar and non-polar molecules (except with molecules, the electrical charge is prevalent over magnetic effects).
 
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Thanks everyone! :smile:
 

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