Why does electron have wave property

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The discussion revolves around the wave properties of electrons, particularly in the context of the double-slit experiment and the implications of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the nature of wave-particle duality, the role of slits in producing interference patterns, and the underlying causes of wave behavior in particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ming questions the role of slits in the double-slit experiment and whether wave-like behavior can be observed without them.
  • Some participants clarify that the interference pattern emerges statistically after many electrons are detected, not from a single electron.
  • There is a discussion about the uncertainty principle and its implications for understanding the wave properties of electrons.
  • Ming expresses skepticism about the completeness of the uncertainty principle in explaining the wave behavior of matter.
  • Another participant points out that wave mechanics is used in other contexts, such as determining energy levels in hydrogen, where slits are not involved.
  • Ming raises the idea that electrons might vibrate at a frequency, suggesting a connection to their wave nature.
  • There is acknowledgment that the concept of wave function collapse in quantum mechanics is a source of confusion and debate among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of slits for wave behavior and the completeness of quantum mechanical explanations. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of wave properties in electrons.

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Some claims rely on interpretations of quantum mechanics that are not universally accepted, and there are unresolved questions regarding the foundational aspects of wave-particle duality and the implications of the uncertainty principle.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, wave-particle duality, and the philosophical implications of quantum theory may find this discussion relevant.

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I read that a single electron, when passing two slits, would exhibit wave like distribution on target screen. This makes me wonder about the following.

1) Would this have anything to do with the interference by the slots? I understand that my question may be moot because such interference probably would result in a Gaussian distribution instead of wave-like distributions on the target screen. But still, what's is the role of the slits in this experiment? If we remove the slots, do we still see the wave? If not, why not? If yes, why yes?

2) I believe there must be some cause-effect behind the fact exhibited by the experiment. Classic physics says that an object would not change its momentum unless a force acts upon it. I'd believe this law should still hold in quantum world. So, what is making electron (or any other particles or even daily-life object) behave like a wave? Or is it because the electron is always subject to some intrinsic field (that accompanies any object) which gives it the wave property? What would this field be? If there is no field whatsoever associated, then what's giving the electron its wave property?

Thanks,
- Ming
 
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First of all, you cannot observe the "wave like distribution," or interference, with only one electron. The interference pattern emerges statistically, after many electrons have been detected at the screen.

As for question 1), the slits cause the wave interference that produces the pattern at the screen. A single slit would produce a different, gaussian-like pattern.

Question 2) can be answered by considering the uncertainty principle, which describes the non-classical character of momentum, etc.
 
country boy said:
First of all, you cannot observe the "wave like distribution," or interference, with only one electron. The interference pattern emerges statistically, after many electrons have been detected at the screen.

What I was referring to was, an experiment where electron is shot to the screen *one by one*, and observation is made after a large number of electrons have been fired. Thus there is no interference between the electrons.

country boy said:
As for question 1), the slits cause the wave interference that produces the pattern at the screen. A single slit would produce a different, gaussian-like pattern.

This is where my question is. If the "wave-like" property relies on the presence of slits, then electrons *themselves* would not possesses a wave property.

country boy said:
Question 2) can be answered by considering the uncertainty principle, which describes the non-classical character of momentum, etc.

You seem to suggest here that wave property of electron (or any other objects) exist without the slits. While I believe this has been proven in experiments, I wonder what gives matter such a property. Where is the cause and effect? It seems to me the uncertainty principle only provides an incomplete model of the world where some parameters are still missing.

- Ming
 
Hi Ming,
There are other situations where the wave nature of matter must be used to agree with experiment, so picking on the DS experiment is a mis-targeting.

Getting correct energy levels for the hydrogen atom is one example where wave mechanics is used, but there are no slits.

As for 'why' this is so, I wouldn't like to guess. I recommend 'Inward Bound' by A. Pais which covers how the whole thing came about.
 
Hi Mentz,

Thanks for the suggested reading. Regarding the slit experiment, are you suggesting that it’s an invalid proof or can be misleading?

Perhaps, electrons (or anything else) vibrate all the time at a given frequency (wave), that is in a discrete range as Quantum mechanics postulates? I am still very puzzled by the claim by some in Quantum mechanics that such a probabilistic wave makes the electron at anywhere at anytime and then “collapses” instantaneously when being acted up.
 
Hi Ming,

I am still very puzzled by the claim by some in Quantum mechanics that such a probabilistic wave makes the electron at anywhere at anytime and then “collapses” instantaneously when being acted up.

This puzzles a lot of people and is the subject of constant debate in this forum and elsewhere. If you search the forum for 'wave function collapse' you'll find many threads discussing foundational and interpretive issues in quantum mechanics.

M
 

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