Why does glass get elastic when immersed in HF; like this video?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of glass becoming elastic when immersed in hydrofluoric acid (HF), exploring the underlying mechanisms and effects of HF on glass structure. Participants examine the implications of etching, surface imperfections, and the role of stress in glass behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the elasticity of glass may increase due to the destruction of some bonds in SiO2, allowing molecular mobility.
  • Another participant argues that the elasticity of glass does not change, but rather that HF etches the glass, removing surface imperfections that contribute to brittleness.
  • A different viewpoint posits that HF etching introduces defects, potentially making the glass more brittle, and discusses the role of surface stress in the behavior of untreated glass rods.
  • One participant references a book that discusses preferential etching of glass, implying that this process may affect stress distribution.
  • Another participant challenges the relevance of a cited book, claiming it does not address strength but rather discusses how HF can eliminate stress concentrations and increase strength by smoothing surfaces.
  • Several participants express amazement at the existence of multiple sources that seem to support their varying interpretations of the effects of HF on glass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether HF etching increases elasticity or introduces brittleness, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources and books, but there are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between etching, surface stress, and the mechanical properties of glass. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic and the need for further clarification on the effects of HF on glass.

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Why does glass get elastic when immersed in HF; like this video?

Hi,

I was surfing YouTube and came across a very interesting video... Check it out yourself;

http://youtu.be/gzUDjHDj0fQ"

Why did the glass become elastic?

I was thinking it might be due to destruction of some bonds on SiO2 but not all causing mobility of the molecules such that they slide over one and other? But its just a guess, I have no idea.

Thanks in advance.
 
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The elasticity of the glass didn't change, but the HF smoothed the glass by etching it for a short time. The etching removed surface imperfections that produce high stress concentrations and make glass the brittle material that we're used to.

Incidentally, I can't approve of someone pouring undiluted HF over their head, with little personal safety gear, and outside of a fume hood. This person sets a bad example.
 


Mapes said:
The elasticity of the glass didn't change, but the HF smoothed the glass by etching it for a short time. The etching removed surface imperfections that produce high stress concentrations and make glass the brittle material that we're used to.

You could be right but I have a different take on it. I think that HF etches glass and would introduce lots of defects making it more brittle. What I think is going on is that the glass rod isn't annealed and the glass near the surface that already under stress is preferentially etched away in the HF. All the glass rods I have ever used are flame polished and don't have any defects like micropits and so forth. None of the ones that I have ever used are ever annealed after flame polishing so they have significant surface stresses frozen into them. The untreated rod breaks early because the additional stress of the mass added to the inherent stress frozen into the glass rod during manufacture is too much. A rupture occurs near the surface.
 
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chemisttree said:
I think it's just amazing that there are at least two books crammed full of our correct answers!

That's what makes it so nice for us to kick back in our easy chairs and speculate. :smile:
 

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