In glass, the elements that make it up, like silicon, and so

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter memoryerasure1
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Elements Glass Silicon
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the electron energy levels of elements that compose glass, such as silicon, sodium, and calcium, and how these levels may change when these elements form molecules and solid glass. Participants explore the implications of these changes for the transparency of glass and consider the potential for other materials, like carbon and hydrogen, to exhibit similar properties under certain conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the electron energy levels change when silicon, sodium, and calcium atoms combine to form solid glass, suggesting that this change might be related to the transparency of glass.
  • Another participant asserts that electron energy levels are indeed different in molecules compared to single atoms, noting that in glass, these levels fall within a range that cannot be excited by visible light, contributing to its transparency.
  • A participant inquires about the possibility of solid carbon, hydrogen, and helium having energy levels similar to those of glass electrons and whether these materials could become translucent under specific conditions, such as mixing light wavelengths or using cold temperatures.
  • Another participant agrees that hydrogen and carbon can form molecules and suggests that materials like diamond, which is made of carbon, are transparent, but expresses uncertainty about the implications for solid carbon in the human body.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the mixing of electromagnetic wavelengths with red light and its potential effects on electron transmission.
  • A later reply points out that there is an existing thread on a similar topic and directs participants to continue the discussion there.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of energy levels in various materials and their implications for transparency. Some agree on the basic principles of electron energy levels in molecules versus atoms, while others raise questions and uncertainties about the applicability of these principles to different substances.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions under which materials may exhibit translucency and the exact nature of energy level changes when elements combine to form solid matter. Additionally, the discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of light and electron interactions that remain unverified.

memoryerasure1
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
In glass, the elements that make it up, like silicon, and sodium.
Does the electron eV levels change as these elements become molecules [PLAIN]http://www.chemicalforums.com/Smileys/classic/grin.gif, and become solid glass.
To put it another way, if silicon, sodium, and calcium atoms which have there fixed eV shell levels for electrons.
If these atoms silicon, sodium, and calcium, and the other elements glass is made from, are put together enough to form a molecule, and then a small piece of solid matter.
Do the shell electron levels of silicon, sodium, and calcium change to make glass transparent.
So for example solid silicon, only consisting of pure silicon atoms, when single silicon atoms are put together in a cubic block, is the eV shell level for the electron the same when silicon forms solid matter.
So is there a change in eV electron levels.
Because there is not enough energy in glass for light to get absorbed by atoms.
The light gets transmission through a solid piece of glass, this is why its transparent.
So do electron eV shell levels, or energy levels change, due to these single atoms becoming together to form molecules, and solid matter.
Thank you for your answer, anything help even a few words.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Yes, the electron energy levels are different in a molecule than in a single atom. In a glass, the levels fall in a range that can't be excited by visible light, so the glass doesn't absorb the light and as a result is transparent.
 
Dear Drakith,
Thank you for youe answer, also do you think there are energy levels/shell levels in atoms, in solid carbon, hydrogen, and helium that could have the same energy levels of glass electrons.
IF you played around with light, wavelengths, and frequency, and using cold temperature to effect electrons.
Also say you mix any EM wavelength with red light, which has the lowest energy, do you think there could be some transmission of the electron, with the red light.
So solid carbon could become translucent like some materials like translucent plastic.
Diamond is transparent which is made from carbon.
But I am talking about the kind of carbon in the human body.
Do you think solid carbon, hydrogen, helium, could become translucent by 15%.
Thank you for your help, anything helps even a few words.
 
memoryerasure1 said:
Thank you for youe answer, also do you think there are energy levels/shell levels in atoms, in solid carbon, hydrogen, and helium that could have the same energy levels of glass electrons.

Well, helium doesn't form molecules, so that one's a no. As for hydrogen and carbon bonded together into molecules, I would assume so. As you say, diamonds are mostly pure carbon and are transparent, and both carbon and hydrogen are used in many substances which are transparent, such as plastic bags and other plastic containers (like a soda bottle).

memoryerasure1 said:
Also say you mix any EM wavelength with red light, which has the lowest energy, do you think there could be some transmission of the electron, with the red light.

I don't know what this means.

memoryerasure1 said:
But I am talking about the kind of carbon in the human body.
Do you think solid carbon, hydrogen, helium, could become translucent by 15%.

I have no idea what you're getting at.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K