Why does gravity make things spin?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of why gravity causes objects to spin, particularly in the context of astronomy and the formation of celestial bodies. Participants explore concepts related to orbits, angular momentum, and the initial conditions of matter in space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how gravity leads to spinning, particularly regarding the Earth's rotation and the orbits of planets and moons.
  • Another participant suggests that basic Newtonian physics explains the rotation and orbits, directing the original poster to a Wikipedia entry for further reading.
  • A participant acknowledges understanding of orbital mechanics but questions the initial conditions that caused objects to move at the necessary velocities for orbiting.
  • Some participants propose that the non-uniform and random motions of gas and dust clouds during the formation of celestial bodies induce rotations.
  • There is a discussion about why planets and moons tend to move in the same direction despite their initial random motions, with some suggesting that a net motion emerges from the collective random movements.
  • Another participant emphasizes the role of conservation of angular momentum in explaining the behavior of rotating bodies, including examples from stellar evolution.
  • One participant mentions that their astronomy professor described the tendency of bodies to spin as an unexplained phenomenon, raising questions about the nature of this spinning and its uniformity.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of angular momentum in explaining spontaneous spinning of objects in microgravity environments, such as a pencil in a spacecraft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement on the role of angular momentum and gravity in causing rotation, while also highlighting unresolved questions and differing interpretations regarding the initial conditions and mechanisms behind spinning in space.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the initial conditions that lead to rotational motion, as well as the complexities involved in explaining spontaneous spinning without external forces.

  • #31


ok thanks dave :) oh and i was talkinga bout having more than 2 random particles should have clarified.. I'm sure it takes more than 2 particles to say create a planet ... or a solar system
 
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  • #33


Who said Space does not spin ?
 
  • #34


AndrewJL said:
Who said Space does not spin ?

Science?
 
  • #35


AndrewJL said:
Who said Space does not spin ?
Maybe you're talking about the frame-dragging effect in GR?
 
  • #36


Well, there are theories that posit a rotating universe...
 
  • #37


Chronos said:
the tiniest of imbalances [like the gravity of the nearest star] will impart a preferred direction of travel.

This and an understanding of angular momentum sum it up based on textbooks/professors I know.

Also, think about why this spinning doesn't happen as much when you throw something on Earth. In space where we're far from strong gravitational influences (like stronger pull of gravity on Earth's surface) smaller gravitational forces have a greater effect since they aren't overpowered by larger ones.

An astronaut throwing a pencil won't give it a perfectly linear momentum in the first place anyway, since there's some curvature in the movement of the arm and it's reaaally unlikely they'll throw in a perfect straight line.
 
  • #38


BTW why are people saying that we don't understand why this rotation happens??
 
  • #39


Nyxie said:
This and an understanding of angular momentum sum it up based on textbooks/professors I know.

Also, think about why this spinning doesn't happen as much when you throw something on Earth. In space where we're far from strong gravitational influences (like stronger pull of gravity on Earth's surface) smaller gravitational forces have a greater effect since they aren't overpowered by larger ones.

An astronaut throwing a pencil won't give it a perfectly linear momentum in the first place anyway, since there's some curvature in the movement of the arm and it's reaaally unlikely they'll throw in a perfect straight line.

Don't think you're really getting the idea here.

Take an arbitrary volume of space fileld with dust and gas, give the particles of dust and gas some arbitrary random motion.

As the dust and gas move under the influnece of their mutual gravity, they will fall toward each other. Their initial inertia will be preserved, so that, by the time they collect into clumps and solar systems, the clumps will have some of that spin, even while the whole system orbits.
 
  • #40


DaveC426913 said:
As the dust and gas move under the influnece of their mutual gravity, they will fall toward each other. Their initial inertia will be preserved, so that, by the time they collect into clumps and solar systems, the clumps will have some of that spin, even while the whole system orbits.

OK, that explains things. But what about the astronaut and the pencil? Its inertia after being released/thrown is primarily determined by how it's thrown, right? so what else is it determined by? :confused:
 
  • #41


Nyxie said:
OK, that explains things. But what about the astronaut and the pencil? Its inertia after being released/thrown is primarily determined by how it's thrown, right? so what else is it determined by? :confused:

Well, yes. It's just that the pencil scenario doesn't really say much about why heavenly bodies spin.
 

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