Why does increasing resistance in a conductor decrease power dissipation?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between resistance in a conductor and power dissipation, exploring concepts such as resistivity, mean free path of electrons, and the effects of collisions within the material. Participants examine the implications of increasing resistance while maintaining a constant potential difference, questioning how this affects current and power dissipation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the relationship between resistivity, mean free path, and the density of charge carriers, suggesting that increased resistance leads to more collisions and a decrease in current.
  • One participant questions why increasing collisions does not lead to increased energy transfer and power dissipation, despite a decrease in current due to increased resistance.
  • Another participant emphasizes that with more collisions, charges have a shorter mean free path, resulting in less energy accumulation before colliding, which may lead to less energy transfer to the lattice ions.
  • There is mention of the Drude model as a framework for understanding conductivity and the behavior of electrons in a conductor.
  • Participants express confusion about the independence of increasing resistance and potential difference, and how these factors interact to affect power dissipation.
  • One participant reiterates the formula for power dissipation, noting that increased resistance correlates with a smaller mean free path for conduction electrons, which affects heat dissipation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between increased resistance, collisions, and power dissipation. There are competing views on how these factors interact, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the nature of collisions (elastic vs inelastic) and the implications of increased resistance on energy transfer and heat generation. The discussion highlights the complexity of the interactions between resistance, current, and power dissipation without resolving these nuances.

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I read that resistivity is related to the mean free path of electrons inside the material and on density of charged within it.

The electric field does work to flow electrons through a resistor, and the energy is converted into heat due to collision with lattice ion, right? ( in free space they accelerate, but in a conductor they have a drift velocity due to collision, like the limit velocity when a body fall through the air (althoug it is in gravity field constantly)?)

When I have a potential difference through a resistor, with a given resistance R, there is a current that flow, due to Ohm's law, that is V/R, I imagine that when I increase the resistance, electrons collide more, maybe return back, interact with other electrons and they are slow down, so less current.. is correct?
But when I increase the resistance,with the SAME V, and then increase the collision, why don't increase the energy transfer and so the power?

I mean If i increase resistance the current decrease due to more collision but these more collision doesn't increase power spent? But I know power decrease due to V^2/R... why?
 
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Hello @aaronll ,
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You might want to look at the Drude model for conductivity.

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BvU said:
Hello @aaronll ,
:welcome: ##\qquad## !​

You might want to look at the Drude model for conductivity.

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Thanks for your regards...
Yes, I was referring to the Drude model that I studied, but if I look at a resistor like lattice ions + electrons that bouncing (like a pinball machine I envision) I don't understand why If I increase the number of lattice ( increase resistance I think ) the power delivered is less, with the same V.
I read because current is less, but is less because there are more collision, due to Drude model.
So maybe moreover collision doesn't means more energy trasfer to lattice ions, bu why?
 
aaronll said:
But when I increase the resistance,with the SAME V, and then increase the collision
I don't understand what you are saying here; it appears to me you think you can increase things independently ?
 
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BvU said:
I don't understand what you are saying here; it appears to me you think you can increase things independently ?
I can increase the resistance, with the same potential difference across it I think...
So the current decrease, but the reason I found in many text is "because there are more collision with ion lattice" but this don't bring to more power dissipated? Or collision are elastic with no energy transfer?
 
When there are more collisions, the charges have a shorter mean free path so they don't accumulate as much energy before they collide again. So, more collisions, but less energy in the colliding charges.
 
DaveE said:
When there are more collisions, the charges have a shorter mean free path so they don't accumulate as much energy before they collide again. So, more collisions, but less energy in the colliding charges.
Ok, and so less energy transfer to ion lattice, right? So less "heat"
 
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Indeed, the power is ##P=I U=R I^2=U^2/R##. This is the energy per unit time dissipated to heat in the resistor. The resistance gets larger the smaller the mean-free path of the conduction electrons in the metal is, and to get through two wires of the same length the conduction electrons suffers more collisions and thus dissipates more heat if you have the same currents in both wires (resistors).
 
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