Why does light kill a cockroach?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of a cockroach dying when exposed to light from a 30-watt bulb. Participants explore potential explanations for this occurrence, considering both thermal effects and the impact of light on the cockroach's physiology. The conversation includes ethical considerations regarding the treatment of the cockroach and the nature of the experiment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Ethical considerations

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that heat from the light is the primary cause of the cockroach's death, suggesting that excessive heat denatures proteins and disrupts vital processes.
  • Others argue that the light itself, as an electromagnetic wave, might interfere with the cockroach's nervous system, leading to its demise.
  • One participant questions the ethics of the experiment, highlighting concerns about animal suffering and the design of the experiment.
  • Another participant expresses a lack of empathy for cockroaches, suggesting that their deaths do not disturb them.
  • A later reply discusses the nature of consciousness in animals, noting that the definition is not well established and may not apply to cockroaches.
  • Some participants express surprise at the speed of the cockroach's death, questioning the type of light used and its proximity to the insect.
  • One participant mentions that incandescent bulbs can produce significant heat, which could contribute to the rapid death of the cockroach.
  • Another participant suggests that photons in light energize the cockroach's atoms, leading to heat generation when the atoms return to their normal state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that heat is a likely factor in the cockroach's death, but there are competing views regarding the role of light and ethical considerations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the experiment and the nature of consciousness in cockroaches.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes subjective evaluations of time and temperature, which may affect the interpretations of the events described. There is also a lack of consensus on the ethical implications of the experiment and the definition of consciousness in relation to invertebrates.

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Today I killed a cockroach by shining a light on it. I caught the cockroach, put it in a glass cup, and shone a light down on it. After about 30 seconds the cockroach stopped behaving 'normally'; it started twitching and jerking uncontrollably and stopped trying to escape from the glass cup. After about 1 minute the cockroach stopped moving completely.

Now, I can think of two very general explanations:
1) The heat from the light killed the cockroach by some mechanism (the cockroach's body was rather hot to the touch after its death)
2) The light, being an electromagnetic wave, interferes with the cockroach's nervous system in such a way that its vital processes are disrupted

Can anyone help me to understand what happened?

I suspect the first explanation is the most likely. If it is the heat which killed the cockroach, could someone please explain why heat kills things?
 
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k9b4 said:
I suspect the first answer is the most likely.

You are correct it is the heat.

k9b4 said:
If it is the heat which killed the cockroach, could someone please explain why heat kills things?

Well, there could be many reasons, but barring gross physiological effects related to temperature regulation and blood pressure, etc. involved in overheating, excessive heat denatures cellular and tissue proteins which end badly for the organism.
 
DiracPool said:
You are correct it is the heat.
Well, there could be many reasons, but barring gross physiological effects related to temperature regulation and blood pressure, etc. involved in overheating, excessive heat denatures cellular and tissue proteins which end badly for the organism.
Thank you
 
30 seconds??

What was this light? How close?
If you repeat the experiment with your hand at the same distance for the same time, what do you experience?
 
DaveC426913 said:
30 seconds??
Well I didn't time it, the 30 seconds is my subjective evaluation. Though it was faster than I expected.
DaveC426913 said:
What was this light? How close?
The light was a 30 watt bulb plugged into the wall, about 5-10 centimeters from the cockroach.
DaveC426913 said:
If you repeat the experiment with your hand at the same distance for the same time, what do you experience?
I experience the feeling of heat on my hand. I can keep my hand there for about 20 seconds before it gets too hot. Remember that these times are subjective evaluations, I am not using any sort of timing device.
 
Isn't anyone going to mention anything about the ethics of doing this sort of "experiment"? I'm putting "experiment" in quotes because it's a poorly designed and controlled one anyway.

There's a reason that animal experimentation on a proper scale (at least that which has federal funding) has to undergo approval by an IACUC or something similar. This is, of course, not comparable in scale, but the same ethical objections apply. You're basically torturing a conscious, sensate animal to death.

And I happen to loathe cockroaches. Doesn't change my opinion.
 
k9b4 said:
Well I didn't time it, the 30 seconds is my subjective evaluation. Though it was faster than I expected.

The light was a 30 watt bulb plugged into the wall, about 5-10 centimeters from the cockroach.

I experience the feeling of heat on my hand. I can keep my hand there for about 20 seconds before it gets too hot. Remember that these times are subjective evaluations, I am not using any sort of timing device.
Yeah, no. I was just surprised that it happened in less than a minute. But your self-experiment settled it.

Curious3141 said:
Isn't anyone going to mention anything about the ethics of doing this sort of "experiment"? I'm putting "experiment" in quotes because it's a poorly designed and controlled one anyway.

There's a reason that animal experimentation on a proper scale (at least that which has federal funding) has to undergo approval by an IACUC or something similar. This is, of course, not comparable in scale, but the same ethical objections apply. You're basically torturing a conscious, sensate animal to death.

And I happen to loathe cockroaches. Doesn't change my opinion.
Well, it's not conscious so that's out.

And it wasn't an experiment, as you correctly point out. There was no attempt to frame it as anything more than a kill. He just happened to learn something from it.

And it is categorized as a pest. Ethically, we kill them.

All he did was use an inefficient method. It's not like he tried to keep it alive to prolong its suffering.

And I've crisped my share of ants with a magnifier.

He gets a pass from me.
 
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Curious3141 said:
Isn't anyone going to mention anything about the ethics of doing this sort of "experiment"? I'm putting "experiment" in quotes because it's a poorly designed and controlled one anyway.

There's a reason that animal experimentation on a proper scale (at least that which has federal funding) has to undergo approval by an IACUC or something similar. This is, of course, not comparable in scale, but the same ethical objections apply. You're basically torturing a conscious, sensate animal to death.

And I happen to loathe cockroaches. Doesn't change my opinion.
Sorry, I feel little empathy for cockroaches. I cannot relate to them, their deaths do not disturb me.
 
Nitpicking a possible anthropomorphism here:

DaveC426913 said:
it's not conscious

Consciousness is not yet a well defined state in biology. In medicine it is better defined, as "observing a patient's arousal and responsiveness" [Wikipedia].

This would simply transfer to "awake" in animals that has a sleep trait.
 
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Getting back to the topic I'm incredibly surprised that you managed to kill it in such a short time. Was this a desk lamp or something? That might pump out enough heat. As for why heat kills things in terms of rapid heating it causes burning, breaking molecular bonds and destroying organisms at a molecular/cellular leve.
 
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Incandescent bulbs can get pretty warm if they've been on for a while, florescent bulbs not so much.

Curious3141 said:
There's a reason that animal experimentation on a proper scale (at least that which has federal funding) has to undergo approval by an IACUC or something similar. This is, of course, not comparable in scale, but the same ethical objections apply. You're basically torturing a conscious, sensate animal to death.

IACUC doesn't require paperwork for invertebrates because they don't have feelings :P
 
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I'm fairly certain your first assumption is correct.

To be more specific, it's the photons in light that energize the atoms that make up the cockroach. When the atoms fall back to their normal state, they give off the energy in the form of heat. A lot of heat is obviously bad for pretty much anything.
 

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