Why Does Quantum Mechanics Use Complex Probability Amplitudes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical formulation of probability amplitudes in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the expansion of the modulus squared of the sum of two complex amplitudes, A(s) and A(t). Participants explore the algebraic manipulation of these expressions and seek clarification on the derivation of specific terms, particularly the appearance of the real part in the expansion.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the expansion of the modulus squared of the sum of two probability amplitudes, A(s) and A(t), as presented by a professor.
  • Another participant points out that the expression can be derived using elementary algebra with complex numbers, specifically the identity |a+b|² = (a+b)(a+b)*.
  • There is a discussion about the correct application of complex conjugates, with a participant correcting an earlier misunderstanding regarding the conjugate of a sum.
  • Some participants express confusion about the derivation of the term involving twice the real part of A(s)A(t)*, with one suggesting a brute force method to show the equality A(s)A(t)* + A(t)*A(s) = 2Re[A(s)A(t)*].
  • Another participant proposes that there may be a more clever method to arrive at the same conclusion, hinting at properties of complex numbers and their conjugates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical manipulations involved. Some participants agree on the algebraic identities, while others seek further clarification on specific aspects of the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working through the algebraic properties of complex numbers and their implications in quantum mechanics, highlighting potential misunderstandings and the need for careful application of mathematical rules. The discussion reflects a range of familiarity with complex algebra among participants.

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Im new to quantum mechanics and prof. James Binney writes the probability amplitude of going through two paths s and t, is the mod square of A(s)+A(t). Then he writes this as The mod square of A(s)+ mod square of A(t) + A(s)A(t)* + A(t)A(s). Why is it expanded like this? Could someone please prove this to me. Also he further confused me by rewriting this as mod square of A(t) + mod square of A(s) + twice the real part of A(s)A(t)*. Can you please explain this to me too.
 
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This is elementary algebra with complex numbers: |a+b|2 = (a+b) (a+b)* = ... ?
 
So then mod square as + at =( as+at) (as+at)* = (as+at)(as-at)=as square + at square.
So where does mod square A(s)+ mod square of A(t) + A(s)A(t)* + A(t)*A(s) or A(t) + mod square of A(s) + twice the real part of A(s)A(t)* come from?
 
CrazyNeutrino said:
So then mod square as + at =( as+at) (as+at)* = (as+at)(as-at)=as square + at square.

No, (as + at)* ≠ as - at.

Rather, (as + at)* = as* + at*.
 
Ok... Thanks it's beginning to make sense
 
But where does the twice the real part come from
 
What you want to show is A(s)A(t)* + A(t)*A(s) = 2Re[A(s)A(t)*], right?

Do you know the rule for multiplying two complex numbers, in terms of their real and imaginary parts? Use it to expand both sides and write them in terms of real and imaginary parts.

At least that's the "brute force" way of showing it. There may be a "clever" way of doing it, but it doesn't come to my mind right now.
 
jtbell said:
What you want to show is A(s)A(t)* + A(t)*A(s) = 2Re[A(s)A(t)*], right?

Do you know the rule for multiplying two complex numbers, in terms of their real and imaginary parts? Use it to expand both sides and write them in terms of real and imaginary parts.

At least that's the "brute force" way of showing it. There may be a "clever" way of doing it, but it doesn't come to my mind right now.

There's perhaps an easier way if you know that conjugation distributes across multiplication, and you know what happens when you add a complex number to its complex conjugate.

(xy)* = x*y*
I suppose you'd have to write out the real and imaginary parts to show this:

(xy)* = ((a + ib)(c + id))* = (ac + iad + ibc - bd)* = (ac - bd + i(ad + bc))* = ac - bd - i(ad + bc)
x*y* = (a - ib)(c - id) = ac -iad - ibc -bd = ac - bd - i(ad + bc)But once you have that, you might let A(s)A(t)* = z, and it's obvious to me that z + z* = 2Re{z}, since the imaginary parts would cancel.
 

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