Why Does Solving y+3=3√(y+7) Yield Extraneous Solutions?

  • Thread starter Thread starter RChristenk
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Quadratic Roots
AI Thread Summary
The equation y + 3 = 3√(y + 7) can yield extraneous solutions when squared, as demonstrated by the solutions y = 9 and y = -6. Plugging y = -6 back into the original equation results in a false statement, indicating it is not a valid solution. This occurs because squaring both sides can introduce additional solutions that do not satisfy the original equation. It is crucial to check all potential solutions against the original equation to identify any extraneous results. Additionally, understanding the constraints of the variables can help eliminate impossible solutions before manipulation.
RChristenk
Messages
73
Reaction score
9
Homework Statement
Solve ##y+3=3\sqrt{y+7}##
Relevant Equations
Basic algebra
##y+3=3\sqrt{y+7}##

Square both sides:

##\Rightarrow y^2+6y+9=9y+63##

##\Rightarrow y^2-3y-54=0##

##\Rightarrow (y-9)(y+6)=0##

##y=9, -6##

But if you plug in ##y=-6## into the original equation, you get ##-3=3## . So it doesn't work. Why?
 
  • Like
Likes FactChecker
Physics news on Phys.org
RChristenk said:
Homework Statement: Solve ##y+3=3\sqrt{y+7}##
Relevant Equations: Basic algebra

##y+3=3\sqrt{y+7}##

Square both sides:

##\Rightarrow y^2+6y+9=9y+63##

##\Rightarrow y^2-3y-54=0##

##\Rightarrow (y-9)(y+6)=0##

##y=9, -6##

But if you plug in ##y=-6## into the original equation, you get ##-3=3## . So it doesn't work. Why?
Because it's not a solution. When you square an equation you may introduce an addition solution. E.g.
$$y =1 \implies y^2 =1 \implies y = \pm 1$$
 
  • Like
Likes MatinSAR and FactChecker
Good catch! So many students neglect to check their answers back in the original equations. There are a few things that can introduce false solutions, so it is always wise to check them.
 
  • Like
Likes MatinSAR and PeroK
PeroK said:
Because it's not a solution. When you square an equation you may introduce an addition solution. E.g.
$$y =1 \implies y^2 =1 \implies y = \pm 1$$
Actually, better is:
$$y =1 \implies y^2 =1 \Leftrightarrow y = \pm 1$$And we see that the first step is not reversible.
 
To further illustrate @PeroK's point:
If your problem had been the following then ##y=-3## would had been the solution.
RChristenk said:
Solve ##y+3=-3\sqrt{y+7}##

Square both sides:

##\Rightarrow y^2+6y+9=9y+63##
. . .

##y=9, -6##

If you plug in ##y=-6## into the original equation, you get ##-3=-3## . So it does n't work.
 
Last edited:
RChristenk said:
But if you plug in ##y=-6## into the original equation, you get ##-3=3## . So it doesn't work. Why?
Because it is a solution to ## y^2+6y+9=9y+63##. This is not your original equation. So you should check all answers of ## y^2+6y+9=9y+63## to see if they work for original question or not.
 
RChristenk said:
Solve ##y+3=3\sqrt{y+7}##
<snip>
##y=9, -6##
But if you plug in ##y=-6## into the original equation, you get ##-3=3## . So it doesn't work. Why?
Something that hasn't been mentioned so far is that it's good practice to take a few moments before you start doing any manipulations. The right side of the first equation must be greater than or equal to zero, hence, it must be true that ##y + 3 \ge 0## which implies that ##y \ge -3##. This would rule out the negative solution you found.

As @SammyS noted, if the equation had been ##y+3=-3\sqrt{y+7}##, here the right side must be less than or equal to zero, hence we must have ##y + 3 \le 0## or ##y \le -3##. For this scenario, we would have to discard y = 9 as an extraneous solution.
 
  • Like
Likes Gavran, Vanadium 50 and SammyS
For comparison, in Linear Algebra, there are operations you can do on your equations, system, that preserve the solutions, while others don't. In this setting, squaring both sides introduces a solution to your equation.
 
RChristenk said:
Solve:

##y+3=3\sqrt{y+7}##

Here's another method which can help you avoid dealing extraneous solutions.

Write the equation as a quadratic equation in ##\sqrt{y+7\,}\ ## .

##\displaystyle \quad y+3=3\sqrt{y+7\,}##

##\displaystyle \quad y+7=3\sqrt{y+7\,}+4##

##\displaystyle \quad \left(\sqrt{y+7\,}\right)^2-3\sqrt{y+7\,}-4=0##

Factoring gives:

##\displaystyle \quad \left(\sqrt{y+7\,} -4\right) \left(\sqrt{y+7\,}+1\right)=0##

Only one of these tactors can be zero. That is ##\displaystyle \ \left(\sqrt{y+7\,} -4\right)=0\ ## giving ##y=9##.
 
Back
Top