Why does the electromagnetic field adjust when a charged field changes phase?

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The discussion centers around the concept of gauge invariance in the context of charged fields and their interaction with electromagnetic fields, particularly when a charged field undergoes a phase change. Participants explore the implications of this adjustment on the equations governing these fields and the underlying physics of such adjustments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the electromagnetic field adjusts when a charged field changes phase, suggesting a possible coupling between the two fields.
  • Another participant clarifies that the adjustment to the electromagnetic field is primarily to maintain form-invariance in the equations, indicating that the physics does not depend on the phase factor.
  • A later reply acknowledges that while the equations can work without the adjustment, it is suggested that the adjustment simplifies the equations, though the initial participant was looking for a deeper physical rationale beyond mathematical convenience.
  • One participant asserts that there are no other reasons for the adjustment beyond mathematical necessity, emphasizing the freedom in choosing variable changes for problem-solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the adjustment of the electromagnetic field has deeper physical significance or is merely a mathematical convenience. There is no consensus on the necessity of the adjustment beyond maintaining the form of the equations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of gauge invariance and the relationship between fields may not be fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of multiple particles undergoing different phase shifts.

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I have a question regarding gauge invariance. When a charged field changes phase:

y -> e^it * y

The electromagnetic field adjusts to make the equations work:

A_m -> A_m - idt / dx_m

What I don't understand is why, purely from a physics standpoint, this would happen? That is, is there some other reason beyond just making the equations work, the electromagnetic field would adjust? Is this due to the two fields being coupled? If so, what would happen if there are two particles? What if one particle phase shifts by "t" and the other by "k" (t != k)?
 
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thehangedman said:
...The electromagnetic field adjusts to make the equations work:

A_m -> A_m - idt / dx_m
No, they add this to A_m in order to compensate the equation change, to keep it form-invariant. Of course, one can safely let the former A_m. The physics does not depend on the phase factor.

On the other hand, it shows the "gauge" liberty in choosing A_m. Usually it is namely A_m which is chosen (=fixing a gauge) rather than the phase factor.
 
I'm sorry for misspeaking. I know the equations "work" without it. What you are suggesting is that in essence, the shift done to the electromagnetic field is done to keep the equations easy to work with. You could leave them there, but then your equations get messy. Having the extra phase term is a pain, so adjusting A to remove it makes life easier. I was under the impression there was more than just a mathematics reason for keeping the equations phase invariant. Is that not correct?
 
There is no other reasons.

I will tell you that I think of all this. You may choose any variable changes for solving your problem. They are not obliged at all to preserve the original equation form. The only requirement is to be non-singular (reversible).
 
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