Why does the enthelpy equation include work (PV term) twice?

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The discussion revolves around the enthalpy equation in thermodynamics, specifically addressing the inclusion of work terms in the equation and the implications for understanding enthalpy as a state function. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between internal energy, heat, and work, particularly in the context of constant versus variable pressure scenarios.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the enthalpy equation, suggesting that it appears to include work terms twice, leading to a conclusion that ΔH equals only heat (q).
  • Another participant clarifies that enthalpy is typically determined by measuring heat and notes that the term Δ(PV) equals work (w) only under constant pressure conditions.
  • A subsequent reply confirms that enthalpy can be equivalent to heat only when pressure is constant, proposing an alternative formulation for cases where pressure varies.
  • Further elaboration indicates that when pressure is not constant, the equation should include both volume work and other forms of work, leading to a more complex relationship involving integrals of pressure and volume changes.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between volume work and other types of work, such as mechanical work, with examples provided to illustrate non-volume work scenarios.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the enthalpy equation, with multiple views on how to handle work terms under different pressure conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

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Limitations include the dependence on whether pressure is constant or variable, and the need for clarity on the types of work being considered in the context of enthalpy calculations.

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Hello. I am a thermodynamics novice trying to gain a better understanding of state functions, particularly enthalpy.

I understand that enthalpy is defined as

"A measure of the total energy of a thermodynamic system, including internal energy, which is the energy required to create a system, and the amount of energy required to make room for it by displacing its environment and establishing its volume and pressure."

The equation:

ΔH=ΔU(internal energy) + ΔPV

confuses me b/c


ΔU= q(heat added) - w(work done by system on environment)

so

ΔH really means:

ΔH=q - w + ΔPV


There are two terms of work (w and ΔPV) and b/c of the opposite sign, they cancel out, leaving only q. This means ΔH= q which is at odds with the accepted definition of enthalpy. Where did I mess up?
 
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That not at odds with the usual definition. Mostly enthalpy is determined by measuring heat.
However ##\Delta(PV)=P\Delta V=w## only if p is constant and volume work is the only kind of work the system is performing.
 
DrDu said:
That not at odds with the usual definition. Mostly enthalpy is determined by measuring heat.
However ##\Delta(PV)=P\Delta V=w## only if p is constant and volume work is the only kind of work the system is performing.

Okay,
so you are saying that enthalpy is only equivalent to heat if pressure is held constant?

Meaning,

ΔH=q - PΔV + PΔV= q (only when pressure is constant and only PV work is being exerted)

Otherwise, when pressure is not constant the equation should like this, perhaps?:

ΔH=q - w + PΔV

And the work defined by the 'w' above includes all forms of work, whether PV or mechanical, etc?

If so, that makes a little more sense. It's just that all the example problems I've encountered with ΔU only use PV work and no other form.
 
JeweliaHeart said:
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Otherwise, when pressure is not constant the equation should like this, perhaps?:

ΔH=q - w + PΔV

In general, ##d(PV)=PdV+VdP##. The second term will not vanish when P is not constant while the first term gives the volume work done in an infinitesimal step.
Hence ## \Delta H=q-w+\int PdV +\int V dP## in general.
If there is no work done other than volume work, this reduces to
## \Delta H=q+\int V dP##.
An example of non-volume work is e.g. the work done when stirring a viscous fluid.
 

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