Why Does the Observed Frequency Increase When a Galaxy Approaches?

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect in the context of astronomy, specifically regarding the observed frequency of a spectral line emitted by atomic hydrogen in a galaxy. The original poster presents a scenario where a radio telescope detects a frequency higher than the known emission frequency, prompting questions about the galaxy's motion relative to the observer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between observed frequency and the motion of the galaxy, questioning the implications of wavelength changes. There is a focus on understanding how the sign of the change in wavelength relates to the galaxy's approach or recession.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the definitions of wavelength change and its implications for determining the galaxy's motion. Some guidance has been provided regarding the sign convention for changes in wavelength, but no consensus has been reached on the calculations or interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of the change in wavelength and its sign, with participants reflecting on the definitions and calculations involved. The original poster's confusion about the positive value obtained in their calculations is a focal point of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Atomic hydrogen emits a characteristic spectral line with a frequency of 1421 MHz. A radio
telescope observes this line in a certain galaxy at a frequency of 1432 MHz.
Is the galaxy approaching or receding, and at what speed (in km/s)?

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I assume the galaxy is approaching as the waves tend to bunch up and thus the perceived frequency is actually higher than the actual frequency. To find the speed I tried calculating the change in wavelength as true-observed and got 0.0016m. Using this fact I used the equation:

recession velocity/wave speed = change in wavelength/actual wavelength

And got a value of 0.007579, which my text says should be the fraction of the speed of light which the galaxy is approaching at. However, this value is positive and I'm told it should be negative if approaching! Where am I going wrong?

Thanks in advance.
 
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djerry said:
However, this value is positive and I'm told it should be negative if approaching! Where am I going wrong?
What's the change in wavelength? Is the wavelength getting bigger or smaller?
 
The wavelength observed was smaller, which implies the object is moving toward the observer.
 
I calculated the change in wavelength as 0.2111m-0.2095m=0.0016m.
 
djerry said:
The wavelength observed was smaller, which implies the object is moving toward the observer.
Good.

If something gets smaller, is its change positive or negative?
 
Well it should be negative. But when you calculate you get a positive as you're taking a smaller number (the observed) from the true wavelength. Do I just assign a negative because it's getting smaller?
 
djerry said:
Well it should be negative. But when you calculate you get a positive as you're taking a smaller number (the observed) from the true wavelength. Do I just assign a negative because it's getting smaller?
It is negative. Note that change is defined as final - initial (or new - old), which is observed wavelength minus true wavelength.
 

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