Why does the possible orbitals equal n squared?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical reasoning behind why the number of possible orbitals in quantum mechanics is equal to the square of the principal quantum number (n squared). Participants explore the relationship between integers, their negative counterparts, and the structure of quantum numbers.

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  • One participant presents a method of counting integers and their negative counterparts, suggesting that for any integer x, the total values can be expressed as x squared, questioning the underlying mathematical logic.
  • Another participant explains the relationship between the quantum numbers \ell and m, detailing how the total number of orbitals can be derived mathematically through the summation of values associated with these quantum numbers, leading to the conclusion that the total number of orbitals is n squared.
  • Several participants express curiosity about the connection between the counting method and the established quantum mechanical results.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical derivation of the number of orbitals being n squared, but there is no consensus on the intuitive understanding of this relationship as expressed in the initial post.

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The discussion does not resolve the intuitive understanding of why the counting method leads to n squared, leaving some assumptions and connections unexplored.

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If i take any integer, x

write out all integers from 0 to x - 1

write out all numbers between negative and positive values of those numbers

I get x squared total values. why? what is the mathematical logoc behind this?

x = 3
0 to x - 3 = 0, 1, 2

0
-1, 0, 1
-2, -1, 0, 1, 2

9 total values, x squared total values, but why does this work? how is that process related to squaring?
 
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For a given value of the quantum number [itex]\ell[/itex], the magnetic quantum number [itex]m[/itex] can run from [itex]-\ell[/itex] to [itex]\ell[/itex], which means there are [itex]2\ell + 1[/itex] values of m for each [itex]\ell[/itex]. The quantum number [itex]\ell[/itex] can run from 0 to [itex]n-1[/itex], where n is the principal quantum number. You can fill up orbitals for each [itex]\ell[/itex] until you hit this max, so the total number of orbitals is

[tex]\sum_{\ell = 0}^{n-1} (2\ell + 1) = 2\left(\sum_{\ell = 0}^{n-1}\ell\right) + n[/tex]

It is a know result that

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{N} k = \frac{N(N+1)}{2}[/tex]
hence, we get

[tex]2\left(\sum_{\ell = 0}^{n-1}\ell\right) + n-1 = 2\frac{(n-1)n}{2} + n = n(n-1 + 1) = n^2.[/tex]
 
Thank you, I just couldn't find that connection and needed to know out of pure curiosity..
 
1MileCrash said:
Thank you, I just couldn't find that connection and needed to know out of pure curiosity..

You may not realize it, but that's a great thing that you discovered that relationship without knowing about the equation. There's a lot of cool relationships you'll discover in math.
 

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