Why does the pressure-volume-constant of Helium increase?

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The discussion centers on the behavior of helium gas in relation to the pressure-volume constant during experiments conducted at a constant temperature of 298K. Participants explore the implications of real gas behavior compared to ideal gas laws, particularly focusing on why the pressure-volume constant for helium appears to increase with pressure in the context of a lab experiment.

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  • One participant describes conducting a lab experiment where the pressure is increased while observing the volume of helium gas, noting an unexpected increase in the pressure-volume constant.
  • Another participant references the Van der Waals equation, suggesting that the small coefficients for helium account for its behavior, indicating that long-range attractions and short-range repulsions affect the pressure-volume relationship.
  • A different participant questions the term "pressure-volume-constant," suggesting it may refer to the product of pressure and volume, which is constant only for ideal gases or under conditions where real gases behave ideally.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the compression factor (Z), explaining that real gases exhibit different behaviors at varying temperatures, with helium's Boyle temperature being relevant to the observed phenomena in the experiment.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the pressure-volume constant and its behavior for helium. There is no consensus on the terminology used or the implications of the observed trends in the experiment.

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Participants note that the behavior of real gases can deviate from ideal gas laws, particularly at different temperatures and pressures, and that the definitions and assumptions regarding the pressure-volume constant may vary among participants.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers exploring gas laws, particularly in the context of real gases versus ideal gases, as well as those conducting experiments involving helium and other noble gases.

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Why does the pressure-volume-constant of Helium increase with increases of external pressure; when the pressure-volume-constant decreases with increases of pressure for other real gasses?
Im doing a lab on an online software called beyond labs. On this software I am able to test gas laws by adding ideal and real gasses to a balloon in a pressure chamber.

When I am conducting the test I have a consistent temperature of 298K and .300 moles across all the tests; the only variables being manipulated is the pressure as the independent variable, and volume as the dependent variable.

For all my tests on real gasses as the pressure increases the volume decreases; Avargadro's Law: V=kn.
Subsequently, the pressure-volume-constant decreases because real gasses do not act idealistically. however with Helium gas as I increase the pressure, the pressure-volume- constant is on an increasing trend.

Why is this the case?
 
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It shows up in the Van der Waals modification to the ideal gas law. The two positive coefficients a and b

[P + a(n/V)2] (V/n - b) = RT

take into account interparticle long range attraction and short term repulsion (size effects) respectively. It is not hard to see that they work in different directions on the PV product. For Helium the a is very small,. I think that explains it.
Physically this is because the long distance attraction is electric dipole-dipole and the noble gases are very small and spherical.
 
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Can't say I ever heard about the "pressure-volume-constant".

Do you mean value of the pressure*volume product? It is constant only for ideal gases, or real gases in the range where they can be treated as ideal.
 
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This is a general behavior for real gases. The compression factor:
$$Z=\frac{pV_m}{RT}$$
for real gases generally dips below 1 at low temperatures and reverses direction to rise above 1 at higher temperatures (for an ideal gas, ##Z=1##). The point at which ##Z## re-crosses the value ##Z=1## is known as the Boyle temperature. It’s about 320K for N2 and about 20K for helium. So if you’re doing experiments at 300K, you’ll be (far) above the Boyle temperature for helium but still below the Boyle temperature for a gas like N2.
 
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