Why does the proton have no excited states?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of excited states of the proton, specifically questioning why there appear to be no excited states with the same quark composition (uud) that decay predominantly into a proton. Participants explore related baryons, particularly the \Delta^{+}, and their decay modes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a lack of awareness regarding excited states of the proton and questions their existence.
  • Another participant introduces the \Delta^{+} baryon as a related entity, suggesting it may serve as an excited state of the proton.
  • Questions arise about the decay modes of the \Delta^{+}, specifically whether it decays more frequently to p\pi^0 or n\pi^+.
  • One participant suggests consulting the Particle Data Group for detailed information on baryon decay modes.
  • A participant mentions the complexity of finding specific branching ratios in the Particle Data Group and expresses confusion over the terminology used.
  • Another participant explains that decay ratios are determined by Clebsch-Gordon coefficients, implying a level of expected familiarity with the calculations involved.
  • A later reply provides a specific decay ratio for the \Delta^{+}, indicating a preference for the decay to p\pi^0 over n\pi^+.
  • One participant asserts that there are indeed many excited states of the proton, referring to states labeled N* or Delta, which decay primarily into pions and nucleons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the existence and identification of excited states of the proton. While some acknowledge the \Delta^{+} as an excited state, others question the clarity and availability of decay information, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on certain aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in accessing specific branching ratios and the complexity of the terminology used in particle physics, which may hinder understanding of the discussion.

petergreat
Messages
266
Reaction score
4
I've never heard of any excited states of the proton. Why?
By "excited state" I mean something with the same composition (uud) that decays to the proton (plus photons etc.) with nearly 100% branching ratio.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Thanks! One question, though. Does the \Delta^+ decay to p\pi^0 or to n\pi^+ more often? According to Wikipedia on Delta baryons both decay modes exist.
 
In order to answer that question, I'd go to the Particle Data Group and search through the baryon tables, but you might as well do it yourself. :wink:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/
 
I actually check PDG before I posted the previous reply, but I got lost...
I went to Particle Properties -> Baryons, and found a list of reviews. I admit I often don't understand the terminology, but none of them seems to have any information on Delta+ branching ratios.
 
That's because the decays are given by Clebsch-Gordon coefficients and the assumption is anyone can calculate them.
 
Neutrons decay into protons [plus electons and electron antineutrinos].
 
petergreat said:
Thanks! One question, though. Does the \Delta^+ decay to p\pi^0 or to n\pi^+ more often? According to Wikipedia on Delta baryons both decay modes exist.
The ratio of Delta-->pi0 n/Delta-->pi- p is determined by isospin to be 2:1.
 
  • #10
Thereare a large number of excited states of the proton besides the Delta.
All the states called N* or Delta can be considered excited states of the proton.
They decay mainly into pions and a proton or neutron.
There is a small branching ratio into photon and nucleon.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K