Why does the Sun seem so bright?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perception of brightness, specifically why the Sun appears so bright compared to other light sources like flashlights. Participants explore the relationship between photon quantity, distance, and the eye's response to light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the perceived brightness of the Sun is solely due to the number of photons entering the eye or if other factors are involved.
  • Another participant agrees that perceived brightness correlates with the number of photons, suggesting that a source producing many photons will appear brighter.
  • It is noted that the human eye is evolutionarily adapted to respond to the specific color spectrum emitted by the Sun, which is a blackbody spectrum at approximately 6000 degrees Kelvin.
  • A comparison is made between the perception of weight in a full bucket versus a cup, illustrating the concept of perceived brightness in terms of power per unit area received by the retina.
  • One participant explains that perceived brightness is influenced by the power per unit area reaching the retina, emphasizing that the Sun's brightness is significant even at a fraction of its total power.
  • Another participant highlights that while Sirius emits more photons than the Sun, its greater distance makes it appear less bright, demonstrating that perceived brightness is not solely dependent on photon emission but also on distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the number of photons and the distance to the light source play crucial roles in perceived brightness. However, there are nuances regarding the influence of the eye's response and the specific characteristics of different light sources, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relationship between perceived brightness, photon quantity, and distance is complex and influenced by factors such as wavelength and the non-linear response of the eye.

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Brightness of the sun
I would like to know why the sun seems so bright.

I know why the sun is a great source of light but that’s not what I’m asking. Why do my eyes perceive the brightness. Is it based on the number of photons that enter my eyeball? The more photons the brighter I perceive the light to be? Therefore a source that produces a lot of photons will provide that large number?

So, I’d guess the question is, is the difference between looking at the sun and looking at a flashlight and the corresponding difference in perceived brightness simply because of numbers or is something else involved?

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thetexan said:
Summary:: Brightness of the sun

The more photons the brighter I perceive the light to be? Therefore a source that produces a lot of photons will provide that large number?
Yes.
 
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Pretty much it is just the number of photons. Of course thanks to evolution your eye is particularly responsive to just the mix of colors put out by the sun (which is a blackbody spectrum for 6000 degrees Kelvin)
 
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Your body also perceives a full bucket of water as “heavier“ when it contains more water molecules than a full cup. It’s the same idea.
 
thetexan said:
So, I’d guess the question is, is the difference between looking at the sun and looking at a flashlight and the corresponding difference in perceived brightness simply because of numbers or is something else involved?
Perceived brightness is essentially a measure of the power per unit area your retina receives (it's not quite that simple because wavelength matters and your eye's response is non-linear, but power is the heart of it). Thus the Sun is very bright because even the tiny fraction of its power that reaches your eye is still a lot of power. The lamp in a lighthouse is very bright because it uses a lot of electrical power to produce a lot of light power, but easily tolerable at distance because the beam spreads and only a small fraction enters your eye.

Lasers don't spread very much, and their coherent nature means that they focus down to a smaller spot on your retina than other light sources. Those two characteristics make them really good at delivering power to your retina at distance, which is why even quite low powered lasers can be quite dangerous to your eyesight.
 
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thetexan said:
Therefore a source that produces a lot of photons will provide that large number?
As @Ibix indicated, perceived brightness depends on how much light enters the eye ##-## it doesn't depend only on how many photons the perceived object emits ##-## Sirius is the brightest-to-us star in the night sky ##-## inherently much brighter than the Sun (about 25.4 times the luminosity) ##-## it emits a far great number of photons than the Sun does, but Sirus is so much further away (about 1.7 light-years away), the Sun is so much closer, that in our perception the Sun is so much brighter as to make the difference between night and day.

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