Why Does the von Mangoldt Formula Exhibit Discontinuities at Powers of Primes?

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The discussion centers on the von Mangoldt formula and its discontinuities at powers of primes, exploring the reasons behind these discontinuities in relation to the sum over the complex zeros of the Riemann zeta function. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, mathematical reasoning, and potential connections to known phenomena in analysis.

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  • One participant questions why the sum over the complex zeros exhibits discontinuities at prime powers, noting a connection to the derivation of the von Mangoldt formula from a Mellin transform.
  • Another participant suggests that the explicit formula provides the best explanation for the jumps at prime powers, emphasizing that the sum is conditionally convergent and the order of zeros affects the result.
  • A later reply discusses examining the sum in isolation and questions whether there is a direct explanation for the discontinuities, proposing to experiment with slight changes to the values.
  • Some participants propose a potential connection to the Gibbs Phenomenon, which relates to the behavior of Fourier series near discontinuities, while others challenge this connection, suggesting that the specific values of zeta zeros may be responsible for the discontinuities at prime powers.
  • One participant presents a formulation of the sum that resembles a Fourier series, suggesting that it converges to a saw-tooth-like function, which may explain the observed discontinuities.

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Participants express differing views on the reasons for the discontinuities, with no consensus reached on whether the Gibbs Phenomenon is applicable or if the discontinuities are solely due to the nature of the zeta zeros. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the underlying causes of the discontinuities.

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Participants acknowledge that the sum over the complex zeros is conditionally convergent, which introduces complexities in asserting continuity. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the specific values of the zeta zeros and the mathematical properties of the sums involved.

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Regarding the vonMongoldt formula:

[tex]\psi_0(x)=x-\sum_{\rho}\frac{x^{\rho}}{\rho}-ln(2\pi)-1/2ln(1-\frac{1}{x^2})[/tex]

I cannot understand why the sum over the complex zeros exhibits discontinuities at powers of primes. I understand why [itex]\psi_0(x)[/tex] does as this results from the derivation of the formula from a Mellin transform (Perron's formula) and a function derived from Chebyshev's function which itself is discontinuous at powers of primes. But why should the sum over the complex zeros exhibit the same type of discontinuity? They seem unrelated. I'll be looking into it. Might take a while though.[/itex]
 
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The explicit formula itself is the best explanation on why it has jumps at prime powers. This is really the most basic tool for going back and forth between primes and zeros.

It's worth pointing out that this sum is only conditionally convergent, the order you put the zeros in does matter, so you wouldn't be able to assert continuity based on absolute convergence for example.
 
shmoe said:
The explicit formula itself is the best explanation on why it has jumps at prime powers. This is really the most basic tool for going back and forth between primes and zeros.

Thanks for replying Shmoe. Suppose though I looked at the sum in "complete isolation" without it's connection to Analytic Number Theory:

[tex]\lim_{T\to\infty}\sum_{|\gamma|\leq T} \frac{x^{\rho}}{\rho}[/tex]

for Zeta zeros (well then not complete isolation):

[tex]\rho=\sigma+i\gamma[/tex].

You mean, there is no "dirrect" explanation of why this sum (and others like it) have discontinuities? Might be something interesting to look into, experiement with. For example, I can change the values slightly such as:

[tex]\lim_{T\to\infty}\sum_{|\gamma|\leq T} \frac{x^{\rho+0.1}}{\rho+0.1}[/tex]

and it still seems to exhibit discontinuities.

Interesting:smile:
 
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- Perhaps it's something similar to a "Gibbs Phenomenon" that also happens with the Fourier series of certain function with discontinuities...
 
lokofer said:
- Perhaps it's something similar to a "Gibbs Phenomenon" that also happens with the Fourier series of certain function with discontinuities...

Hello Lokofer. I think the Gibbs Phenomenon is a property of Fourier Series in general and pertains to the "overshoot" and "undershoot" of the convergence of the series near a discontinuity. That however is not the reason the sum is discontinuous at prime powers.

I think I know why it's discontinuous just not why at prime powers. No doubt the particular values of the zeta zeros somehow are causing the discontinuities there. I suspect no other values of [itex]\rho[/itex] in the sum will cause discontinuities at ALL prime powers and that there may exist a set of values that do so only at primes. Interesting problem . . .
 
If I write the sum as:

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \lim_{T\to\infty}\sum_{|\gamma|\leq T}\frac{x^{\rho}}{\rho}&=<br /> \left[\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\frac{\sqrt{x}\left[Cos(t_i lnx)+2t_i Sin(t_i lnx)\right]}{1/4+t_i^2} \right] \\<br /> &=\sqrt{x}\left[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_nCos(\omega_n ln(x))+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}b_n Sin(\omega_n ln(x))\right]<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

where the t's are the ordinates of the Zeta zeros above the real axis, I can begin to see why it exhibits "saw-tooth-like" discontinuities: The sum is actually a Fourier-like series in disquise which converges to the saw-tooth-like function which the sum represents!

See guys . . . never a dull moment in the big-house.:biggrin:
 
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