Why Does the Wiener Process Use Normal Distribution Multiplication for Modeling?

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The discussion revolves around the intuition behind the properties of a Wiener Process, particularly focusing on the mathematical formulation of changes in a variable following this process. Participants explore the role of normal distribution in modeling these changes, the significance of the square root of time in the equation, and the implications of breaking down the process into smaller intervals.

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  • Some participants question why a random drawing from a normal distribution is necessary when the standard deviation is already represented by the square root of time, suggesting a need for clarity on the relationship between these components.
  • Others argue that without multiplying by the square root of time, the change in the variable would be excessively large, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the distribution's behavior over small time intervals.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the normal distribution arises from the definition of the Wiener process itself, proposing that the increments of the process are independent normal random variables at smaller time intervals.
  • Some participants discuss the fractal-like nature of the Wiener process, suggesting that it can be broken down into smaller Wiener processes, which raises questions about simulating such processes computationally.
  • One participant highlights that the sum of independent normal random variables results in another normal random variable, which is crucial for understanding the behavior of the Wiener process over varying time intervals.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the normal distribution in the context of the Wiener process. There is no consensus on the underlying reasons for the distribution's characteristics or the mathematical formulation, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants note that the relationship between the variances of the increments at different time intervals is complex and not straightforward, as the variance at smaller intervals does not simply scale with time. This introduces additional considerations regarding the mathematical properties of the Wiener process.

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I have a simple question about the intuition behind property 1 of a Wiener Process. It says in my textbook that the change in a variable z that follows a Wiener Process is:

[tex]δz=ε\sqrt{δt}[/tex]

where ε is a random drawing from a [tex]\Phi(0,1)[/tex]

Now I think [tex]\sqrt{δt}[/tex] is supposed to be the standard deviation of a random variable which follows a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 1 during one year.

My question now is, if δ^1/2 is the standard deviation of a normally distributed random variable, why is the random drawing from another normal distribution necessary or basically why do I have to multiply ε with δt^1/2?
 
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Polymath89 said:
I have a simple question about the intuition behind property 1 of a Wiener Process. It says in my textbook that the change in a variable z that follows a Wiener Process is:

[tex]δz=ε\sqrt{δt}[/tex]

where ε is a random drawing from a [tex]\Phi(0,1)[/tex]

Now I think [tex]\sqrt{δt}[/tex] is supposed to be the standard deviation of a random variable which follows a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 1 during one year.

My question now is, if δ^1/2 is the standard deviation of a normally distributed random variable, why is the random drawing from another normal distribution necessary or basically why do I have to multiply ε with δt^1/2?

If you don't multiply your delta z will be too big. Suppose t is really small then certainly delta z does not have distribution N(0,1).
 
Thanks for your answer.

You're right in saying that δz would be really big, if the time change is small, but that's not a really satisfying answer for me. I want to know why it's normally distributed, not why it's not normally distributed if you have a different form.
 
Polymath89 said:
Thanks for your answer.

You're right in saying that δz would be really big, if the time change is small, but that's not a really satisfying answer for me. I want to know why it's normally distributed, not why it's not normally distributed if you have a different form.

why what is normally distributed ?
 
Polymath89 said:
I have a simple question about the intuition behind property 1 of a Wiener Process. It says in my textbook that the change in a variable z that follows a Wiener Process is:

[tex]δz=ε\sqrt{δt}[/tex]

where ε is a random drawing from a [tex]\Phi(0,1)[/tex]

Now I think [tex]\sqrt{δt}[/tex] is supposed to be the standard deviation of a random variable which follows a normal distribution with a standard deviation of 1 during one year.

My question now is, if δ^1/2 is the standard deviation of a normally distributed random variable, why is the random drawing from another normal distribution necessary or basically why do I have to multiply ε with δt^1/2?

If you take Wiener process and break it up into any amount of intervals eg 2,3,1000,1000000 etc. Then withen each interval you have in effect another Wiener process. In this sense it is like a fractal. No matter how small the interval, you always have another Wiener process. So one thing you can ask your self is how would you simulate Wiener process on a computer.
 
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Polymath89 said:
Thanks for your answer.

You're right in saying that δz would be really big, if the time change is small, but that's not a really satisfying answer for me. I want to know why it's normally distributed, not why it's not normally distributed if you have a different form.

One way to look at it is that it's definition of a Wiener process!

Accepting that, the question becomes why does this nesting of normal random variables work to define some sort of stochastic process. A property of normal random variables is that the sum of normal random variables is another random variable. Suppose you are analyzing a phenomena (or simulating it with a computer program) and you observed the process at discrete time intervals, say t = 10, t = 20, t = 30, etc. You find that the increments of the process are indepdendent and normally distributed. Then you daydream about refining your measurments so the measurements are taken at times t = 1, 2, ... Wouldn't it be nice if the increments at these small time intervals were also normally distributed. Is that even mathematically possible? Yes! The increments at smaller times could be independent normal random variables that add up to be the larger increments. (If you had found that the increments at larger times were, for example, uniform random variables you couldn't claim that they came from adding smaller uniform random variables. Independent uniform random variables don't sum to a uniform random variable. In fact, a large number of indpendent uniform random variables sums to something that is approximately a normal distribution. )

From the this point of view the intutiive idea of a Wiener process is that it is a phenomenon whose increments can be analyzed as independent normal random variables at increasingly small time intervals. Of course, if the variance of the process measured at t = 10, 20, 30,... is [itex]\sigma_{10}[/itex], you can't say the variance of the process at t = 1, 2, 3,... is one tenth of that variance. To have the variance at 10 small increments produce the correct variance at one large increment, you must consider how the variances of a sum of independent random variables add. That's essentially where the square root comes in.
 

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