Why Does Traverse-Time Depend on n Being Odd or Even in Polar Coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the function in polar coordinates defined by r=cos(n*θ), specifically focusing on how the traversal time of the function is influenced by whether n is odd or even. Participants explore the implications of this distinction for graphing the function and calculating the area it encloses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the traversal time depends on n being odd or even, stating that for even n, the function traverses from θ=0 to 2π, while for odd n, it traverses from θ=0 to π.
  • Another participant explains that as r goes from 0 to 1 and back to 0, the function has fully traversed, suggesting this may be a general rule.
  • It is mentioned that when cos(nθ) is negative, r becomes negative, which is interpreted as positive with π added to θ in polar coordinates, affecting the traversal of lobes.
  • Participants discuss the number of lobes formed by the function, indicating that for even n there are 2n lobes, while for odd n there are n lobes.
  • A request for examples is made to further clarify the concepts discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the traversal behavior of the function based on the parity of n. While some concepts are clarified, there is no consensus on the general rules or implications without further examples.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the traversal time and the conditions under which the function is considered fully traversed. There are also unresolved questions about the generality of the rules discussed.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of polar coordinates, particularly those interested in the graphical representation and area calculation of functions defined in this coordinate system.

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I have the function in polar coordinates r=cos(n*θ), where r is the radii. I'm supposed to draw the graph of this function, and calculate the area. But to calculate the area, I need to know how fast the function traverses. From the solution in my book, it says if n is even, the function traverses when θ goes from 0 to 2pi, and from 0 to pi if n is odd.

Why is the traverse-time for this function only dependent on if n is odd or even? I do not understand this at all. Can you guys help me develop an intuition for functions in polar coordinates?
 
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You will cover one lobe as r goes from 0 to 1 and back to 0. That is, as [itex]n\theta[/itex] goes form [itex]-\pi+ 2k\pi[/itex] to [itex]\pi/2+ 2k\pi[/itex] for integer k.

The reason for the "if n is even, the function traverses when θ goes from 0 to 2pi, and from 0 to pi if n is odd." is that when [itex]cos(n\theta)[/itex] is negative, r is negative and, because r is alwas positive in polar coordinates, is interpreted as positive but with [itex]\pi[/itex] added to [itex]\theta[/itex]. When n is odd, that results in one lobe covering another. When n is even, there are 2n lobes, when n is odd there are n lobes.
 
So you're saying when r goes from 0 to 1 to 0 (and n*θ goes from -pi/2 to pi/2) the function has fully traversed?

Is this a general rule? That when r goes back to where it started, the function has traversed?

is that when cos(nθ) is negative, r is negative and, because r is alwas positive in polar coordinates, is interpreted as positive but with π added to θ. When n is odd, that results in one lobe covering another. When n is even, there are 2n lobes, when n is odd there are n lobes.
I think I get you, but can you please provide an example?
 
The first graph is [itex]r= 5cos(4\theta)[/itex] and the second graph is [itex]r= 5cos(5\theta)[/itex]
 

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