Why does waveform exp[iwt] have negative kinetic energy?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the kinetic energy associated with the wavefunction expressed as exp[iωt] in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of this expression in the context of the Hamiltonian operator and its relationship to energy eigenstates, particularly in non-relativistic quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the reasoning behind ignoring terms with exp[iωt] when forming wave packets, referencing a textbook for support.
  • Another participant requests the specific reference for the quoted material.
  • A different participant suggests applying the energy operator to the wavefunction with exp(iωt) and argues that the negative sign in the kinetic energy is not appropriate, proposing that the correct form should be exp(-iωt) to ensure positive kinetic energy.
  • Further clarification is provided that the operator iħ∂/∂t is not the Hamiltonian but rather a time derivative operator, with credit given to another participant for this distinction.
  • Another participant elaborates on the Hamiltonian operator, emphasizing that it is a function of operators representing observables and provides the form of the Hamiltonian for a particle in a potential, discussing the Schrödinger equation and energy eigenstates.
  • This participant also explains the relationship between momentum and energy for free particles, detailing how the eigenvalue problem is solved and the implications for the signs of energy eigenvalues.
  • Lastly, a note is made regarding the complexities of relativistic quantum mechanics and the treatment of energy eigenvalues, suggesting a shift towards quantum field theory for a more adequate formulation.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the wavefunction and the associated kinetic energy. There is no consensus on the correct treatment of the signs in the energy expressions or the implications of the Hamiltonian operator.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions of operators and the conditions under which the Schrödinger equation is applied. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the derivation of energy eigenvalues and the implications for relativistic formulations.

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Why so?

Quoted from Quantum Physics 3rd ed. by Stephen Gasiorowicz, p. 26.

It was explaining why we ignore the terms with exp[iwt] when adding plane waves to form a wave packet:
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Please give the reference that you are quoting from.
 
Happiness said:
Why so?
Try applying the energy operator ##\hat H = i\hbar \frac{\partial }{\partial t}## to the wavefunction with ##\exp(i\omega t)##. In fact the time-exponential factor arises from the application of time evolution operator ##\exp(-i\hat H t/\hbar)##, thus it makes perfect sense that one should use ##\exp(-i\omega t)## since the kinetic energy is positive.
EDIT: ##i\hbar \frac{\partial }{\partial t}## is not an energy operator nor equal to Hamiltonian ##\hat H##. It is more appropriate the call the former simply "time derivative" operator. Credit to vanhees (see below).
 
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The Hamilton operator is NOT ##\mathrm{i} \partial_t## but a function of operators that represent observables. For a particle in a potential in non-relativistic physics, e.g., it's
$$\hat{H}=\frac{\hat{\vec{p}}^2}{2m} + V(\hat{\vec{x}}).$$
The Schrödinger equation in the position representation reads (I set ##\hbar=1## for convenience)
$$\mathrm{i} \partial_t \psi(t,\vec{x})=\hat{H} \psi(t,\vec{x}).$$
The cited passage in #1 is as enigmatic to me as it is to Happiness. The sign in question is completely determined by the Schrödinger equation. Obviously the author is treating energy eigenstates, i.e., solutions of the Schrödinger equation of the form
$$\psi(t,\vec{x})=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t) u_{E}(\vec{x})$$
which obey
$$\hat{H} \psi_E(t,\vec{x})=E \psi_E(t,\vec{x}).$$
For a time-independent Hamiltonian for the above ansatz we have
$$\mathrm{i} \partial_t \psi_E(t,\vec{x})=\omega \exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t) u_{E}(\vec{x})=\omega \psi_E(t,\vec{x}),$$
i.e., we have (uniquely
$$\omega=+E.$$
The time-independent eigenfunction of the Hamiltonian has to be determined by
$$\hat{H} u_E(\vec{x})=E u_E(\vec{x}),$$
which in general is a pretty complicated partial differential equation (usually called "the time-independent Schrödinger equation"). Only for simple potentials can we solve it analytically. The most simple case is the free particle, i.e., $$V=0$$. Then we have
$$\hat{H}=\frac{\hat{\vec{p}}^2}{2m}=-\frac{\Delta}{2m}.$$
Then the eigenvalue problem reads
$$-\frac{\Delta}{2m} u_E(\vec{x})=E u_E(\vec{x}).$$
It is easy to solve by a separation ansatz
$$u_E(\vec{x})=u_1(x_1) u_2(x_2) u_3(x_3).$$
Plugging this ansatz into the equation leads to the solutions
$$u_1(x_1)=N_1 \exp(\mathrm{i} p_1 x_1), \quad \ldots$$
or
$$u_E(\vec{x})=N \exp(\mathrm{i} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{x}).$$
Plugging this into the eigenvalue equation for the Hamiltonian yields
$$\hat{H} u_E(\vec{x})=\frac{\vec{p}^2}{2m} u_E(\vec{x}) \; \Rightarrow \; E=\frac{\vec{p}^2}{2m},$$
i.e., a free particle's energy eigenvalues are related to the momentum of the particle as in classical physics.

The reason that this works is, of course, that the Hamiltonian commutes with all momentum operators, i.e.,
$$[\hat{H},\hat{\vec{p}}]=0,$$
and thus the momentum eigenstates are also energy eigenstates. It's more convenient to use this particular set of energy eigenstates, because the three momentum components build a complete set of compatible observables, so that specifying the three momenta determine the eigenfunction uniquely. The Hamiltonian eigenvalues themselves are degenerated, since for a given eigenvalue ##E## all the momentum eigenstates with ##\vec{p}^2/(2m)=E## (i.e., an entire sphere in momentum space) are eigenvectors.

For the free particle the time-dependent energy eigensolution finally reads
$$\psi_E(t,\vec{x})=N \exp[-\mathrm{i} (E t-\vec{p} \cdot \vec{x})],$$
and the signs here are completely determined by the defining equations. There's no doubt as suggested by the passage cited in #1.

There is an issue in relativistic quantum mechanics concerning the sign of energy eigenvalues of free particles, finally leading to the conclusion that it is more adequate to formulate relativistic QT as a QFT right from the beginning, but that's another issue.
 
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