Why does work have the wrong units?

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The problem involves a particle of mass moving in a circular path on a frictionless table, where the radius of the path changes as a string is pulled. The task is to calculate the work done while pulling the string and to compare it with kinetic energy calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work using the integral of force and question the dimensional consistency of derived equations. There are attempts to relate the work done to kinetic energy and concerns about the validity of certain expressions.

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Participants are actively exploring the relationships between variables and checking their calculations. Some have identified potential mistakes in their reasoning, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the constancy of certain variables during integration.

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There is an emphasis on the conservation of angular momentum and the non-constant nature of force as the radius changes, which complicates the calculations. Participants are encouraged to clarify their steps and reasoning as they work through the problem.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m is moving on a frictionless horizontal table and is attached to a massless string that passes through a tiny hole of negligible radius in the table, and I am holding the other end of the string underneath the table. Initially the particle is moving in a circle of radius r0 with angular velocity ω0, but I now pull the string down until the radius reaches r. Assuming that I pull the string so slowly that we can approximate the particle’s path by a circle of slowly shrinking radius, calculate the work I did by pulling the string, and compare it to your answer in (5.1).

Homework Equations


W = ∫F⋅dr
Answer for KE is [(mωo2ro2)/2]((ro/r)2-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


W = ∫F⋅dr = ∫mv2/r dr= ∫mω2rdr = (mω2/2)(r2-ro2)

From conservation of angular momentum I get that ω = (ωoro2)/r. replacing this with the result gives (mωo2ro4)/2[((ro/r)2-1)] and the units don't check out. Shouldn't this be the same as KE?
 
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Vitani11 said:
From conservation of angular momentum I get that ω = (ωoro2)/r.
This equation is not dimensionally consistent and thus cannot be true.
 
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Oh that is v not omega. Crap, stupid mistakes. I got (mωo2ro4)/2r2[(1-(ro/r)2)]
 
To check this answer I set it equal to KE to see if it turned to 0 but instead it gave me that r=-ro which isn't true. Is this answer still correct or is this not a good way to check your answer?
 
Vitani11 said:
To check this answer I set it equal to KE to see if it turned to 0 but instead it gave me that r=-ro which isn't true. Is this answer still correct or is this not a good way to check your answer?

The problem is in here is ##F## is not constant as you can see ##F=\frac {mv^2} {r}## but here ##v## depends on ##r## (angular momentum conservation).So you have to find first ##F(r)##
 
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Vitani11 said:
∫mω2rdr = (mω2/2)(rr02)
Please post your steps there. How do you handle the fact that r and ω are both varying?
 
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haruspex said:
Please post your steps there. How do you handle the fact that r and ω are both varying?
Typo. It should have been W = ∫F⋅dr = ∫mv2/r dr= ∫mω2rdr = (mω2/2)(r2-ro2)
 
Vitani11 said:
Typo. It should have been W = ∫F⋅dr = ∫mv2/r dr= ∫mω2rdr = (mω2/2)(r2-ro2)
But that is wrong. In the integration you treated ω as constant.
 
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Got it, thanks
 

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