Why Doesn't the Integral of an Odd Function Equal Zero Over [0, 2L]?

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The discussion centers around the integral of an odd function over the interval [0, 2L], specifically questioning why the integral does not equal zero despite the function being odd. Participants explore the implications of two theorems related to odd functions and periodic functions in the context of Fourier series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the integral of an odd function over a symmetric interval [-a, a] is zero, citing this as a basis for their initial assumption that the integral over [0, 2L] should also be zero.
  • Another participant questions whether the product of two odd functions remains odd, suggesting a deeper exploration of function properties.
  • A participant reiterates their understanding that the function in question is odd but seeks clarification on why the integral from 0 to 2L does not yield zero.
  • It is noted that while the function is odd, the integration is performed over the interval [0, 2L], which is not symmetric about zero, thus affecting the outcome.
  • A clarification is made that the function is not periodic due to the presence of the term 2x^2 - 1, which impacts the symmetry and the integral's result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of theorems regarding odd functions and their integrals over non-symmetric intervals. There is no consensus on the resolution of the integral's value over [0, 2L].

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the interval's symmetry and the periodicity of the function, indicating that these factors are crucial to understanding the behavior of the integral.

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Hello I'd first like to state I know how to solve and I know the answer to this integral however when I first looked at the integral my initial thought was that it was equal to zero. I'd like to explain why I thought it was equal to 0 and hopefully someone can tell me where I went wrong.

I used two different theorems to come to my conclusion:

1. The definite integral with limits [-a,a] of a function f(x) will always be equal to zero if the function is odd.

\int^{a}_{-a}f(x)dx = 0

2. Suppose a function F(x) is T-periodic function then for any real number a we have:

\int^{T}_{0}f(x)dx = \int^{T+a}_{a}f(x)dxI have a problem where I need to find the Fourier Series of the function f(x) = 2x2-1
on the interval 0\leqx\prec2L and it tells me that the function has a period of 2L

now when I use the equation to find the bn Fourier coefficient I get:

bn=\frac{1}{L}\int^{2L}_{0}(2x2-1)sin(\frac{xnπ}{L})

When I multiply sine by the 2x2-1 you can easily see that I get two integrals of odd functions sin(xnπ/L)(2x2) and sin(xnπ/L)

If we plug in -x to both functions we see that we get the negative of the function therefore we know both are odd functions. Now because the problem tells us that the function is of period 2L and we're integrating from 2L I apply my second theorem and subtract L from the limits which now gives an integral that satisfy the first theorem and by which I then conclude that both integrals should be equal to 0. But after calculating the integral I see that it doesn't and I'm not sure where I'm making a false assumption.
 
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Well, for an odd function, f(-x) = -f(x). So, if f and g are odd functions, and h(x) = f(x)g(x), is h an odd function?
 
That's not my question, I know that sine(xnpi/L)*((2x^2)-1) is an odd function. I'm wondering why the integral of this function from 0 to 2L is not equal to 0 based on the 2 theorems I've posted.
 
AerospaceEng said:
That's not my question, I know that sine(xnpi/L)*((2x^2)-1) is an odd function. I'm wondering why the integral of this function from 0 to 2L is not equal to 0 based on the 2 theorems I've posted.
Your function ##f(x) = \sin(xn\pi/L)(2x^2 - 1)## is an odd function, meaning that it satisfies ##f(-x) = -f(x)##. We also say that ##f## is antisymmetric around ##x=0##. It follows that ##\int_{-a}^{a} f(x) = 0##, where the integration is taken over any interval ##[-a,a]## which has midpoint ##0##.

However, you are integrating over the interval ##[0,2L]##. Note that ##f## is NOT periodic, because of the ##2x^2 - 1## factor. So the integral over this interval is not necessarily ##0##. This interval has midpoint ##L##, and it is easy to see that your function is NOT antisymmetric around ##x=L##. To see this, put ##g(x) = f(x-L)##, and check whether ##g(-x) = -g(x)##.
 

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