Why globular clusters don't collapse.

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The discussion revolves around the stability of globular clusters and the factors that prevent them from collapsing. Participants explore various aspects of globular cluster dynamics, including their shape, rotation, and the forces at play within these astronomical structures.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the apparent contradiction between the spherical shape and rapid rotation of globular clusters, suggesting that centrifugal forces should lead to flattening.
  • Others clarify that globular clusters are not rigid and do not rotate as solid bodies, emphasizing that they are pressure supported and have random stellar rotation parameters.
  • Additional considerations include gravitational balance, stellar velocity dispersion, mass segregation, tidal effects, and the role of dark matter in maintaining cluster stability.
  • One participant mentions the analogy of stars repelling each other while in random kinetic motion, contributing to the cluster's structure.
  • There are references to the size and density of globular clusters, with estimates of star counts and dimensions provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dynamics of globular clusters, with no consensus reached on the implications of their shape and rotation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interplay of various forces and factors affecting cluster stability.

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Some claims made in the discussion rely on assumptions about the nature of globular clusters and their dynamics, which may not be universally accepted or fully explored within the thread.

Jordi Heguilor
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I asked Bard that question and it responded (among other things) that a) globular clusters are spherical and b) that they are spinning rapidly. Aren't those two things contradictory, as in they should be flattened by centrifugal forces?
 
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If Bard is some sort ofg AI Chatbot, don't believe it.

Globular clusters are not rigid, so they do not rotate like rigid objects. Further, they are pressure supported, which means that the individual stars rotation parameters are fairly random, unlike spirals.
 
openai gave a lot more considerations: (bound together by their mutual gravitational attraction.) Gravitational balance, Stellar Velocity Dispersion, mass segregation, tidal effects, a broad distribution of kinetic energies within the cluster, higher energy orbits, Stellar Collisions and re-balancing, mass loss and gravity reduction, dark matter gravitational attraction, high mass-to-light ratio, yet low contamination levels of gas, dust prevent mass clouds that promote collapse. May contain intermediate black holes.

Like rain drops with "like charges", stars repel each other
- while in random kinetic motion
- to contain 10k to 10m stars in a cluster from 3.2 ly across or 100 ly across and up.
- 150m clusters in Milky Way each very dense. Living inside a Globular Cluster
- from Fraser Cain: Publisher Universe Today ...
 
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Jordi Heguilor said:
I asked Bard that question and it responded (among other things) that a) globular clusters are spherical and b) that they are spinning rapidly. Aren't those two things contradictory, as in they should be flattened by centrifugal forces?
Welcome to PF, Jordi. :smile:

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