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[Bilal]

Mosque = Masjid = This we call it as ''name of place”, which indicates to location not building.

Al Aqsa mosque refers to the land where those buildings (Dome of Rock and Al Aqsa) exist.

The buildings have great historical, spiritual and architecture value in the Islamic world and also in the eyes of the rest of people of the world, but the land is considered as Holy site. This means if they are destroyed, Muslims should rebuild them again in the same area.

The same as ‘The sacred mosque – Kaaba "... it was built after many years of the death of the prophet.

Yes but can you see the contextual difference between the two verses?
We're talking about Jerusalem, which I believe you call Al-Quds.
The Al-Aqsa mosque was only built in 710. The Koran predates it. The Dome of the Rock was built in 690, again, after these verses were written.

 

[Bilal]

I did not justify the murdering of 81 peaceful Jews in Hebron in 1929, but we know that attack was a result of clashes in Jerusalem after the Jews decided to get Al Buraq wall or the Wailing Wall. Palestinian sources can tell you the opposite of what you claim... if you show ten pictures of Jews victims, I can show 1000s pictures of Palestinian victims.

Personally I do not support any type of violence and I do not think that any civilized human should believe in wars. If the Jews want to have their own State, they should let the rest of people to live free ... they got it on 1967 borders.

How would the establishment of the Zionist movement make your centuries-long neighbour a traitor? How does that justify attacking them in such a brutal way? Had they been European settlers on land bought from Arab landlords, would that justify murder, maim and rape?
You seem to be very understanding of these atrocities when committed by Palestinians, in contrast with violent acts by Jews. Do you honestly believe your people have not contributed one bit to the conflict between us? Do you honestly believe such brutality, regardless of its perpetrator, can be justified?
What rights did they ignore? The right to prevent peaceful settlers from living on their own land simply because they're Jewish?

 

[cefarix]

Apart from the fact that al-Aqsa Masjid is referred to in the Quran, it must not be forgotten that the Quran is not the only source of Islam. In fact, you cannot even follow Islam through only the Quran. The Quran does not tell us how to pray, or how to make the ablution for prayer, or many, many other important things in Islam. That part of Islam comes from the Ahadeeth, or traditions, of the Prophet and his Companions. These traditions are, in a way, the "explanation" of the Quran. Once we put together the Quran AND the traditions, the importance of Jerusalem in Islam becomes very clear.

 

[Bilal]

Sallah- eddin liberated Jerusalem after 88 years, but the crusaders wars started from middle of 11 the century (before the birth of Sallaheddin) till the end of 13th century. Jerusalem was the target of both sides during these wars. As you know after fall of Jerusalem in the hands of Sallaheddin, Europe prepared another large crusade to get it back. There were many kings and leaders from both sides were fighting over Jerusalem and they transferred the "war culture" from generation to other generation …. Moreover, Sallaheddin said his well documented speech '' I can not smile while Al Aqsa mosque in the hand of crusaders".

Jerusalem was in the hand of crusaders for 91 years Hijri (Islamic calendar) or 88 years, but surely the conflict about this city did not stop in 1187. The wars stopped in 1289 after Mamluk Sultans defeated the Crusaders completely.

Sallaheddin succeeded to capture and to unite Egypt, Syria and part of Iraq before liberation of Jerusalem. He was a Suffi Muslim, which means he was spiritual and non violent person as you claimed and as you got your information only from western sources.

Compare Jerusalem in 1099 , when crusaders slaughtered 60000 Muslims, 4000 Jews and several thousands of orthodox Christian inside AL Aqsa mosque with Jerusalem in 1187: Sallah-eddin paid from his own money to liberate the prisoners of crusaders and he let Jews and orthodox Christian to live peacefully in the city.

I advice you to read the main document about crusaders:
Gesta Francorum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesta_Francorum

Jerusalem, by the way, was taken by the Crusaders in 1099 and then by Salah a-Din in 1187 - a total of 88 years, so I don't see how Muslims were fighting to liberate it for 200 years. One can argue the religious importance it had in the eyes of its liberators, but Salah a-Din was in no rush to capture it (he retreated from 2 invasions organised by Nur a-Din because he wanted to wait for Nur a-Din's death and conquer his empire), nor did he stop conquering once he had it. The territory, the routes, the political significance and the odd fact that it was in the way to Syria were just as important, if not moreso. Let's not forget the man conquered other Muslim states - I don't think that's encouraged in the Koran. I don't think he was a very devout Muslim.

 

[Bilal]

I agree completely...and I do not think there is any Muslims group can claim that Jerusalem is not Holy City in Islam.

Apart from the fact that al-Aqsa Masjid is referred to in the Quran, it must not be forgotten that the Quran is not the only source of Islam. In fact, you cannot even follow Islam through only the Quran. The Quran does not tell us how to pray, or how to make the ablution for prayer, or many, many other important things in Islam. That part of Islam comes from the Ahadeeth, or traditions, of the Prophet and his Companions. These traditions are, in a way, the "explanation" of the Quran. Once we put together the Quran AND the traditions, the importance of Jerusalem in Islam becomes very clear.

 

[Yonoz]

No one is claiming Jerusalem is not very important to Islam, rather in response to:

Both have religiously historical sites within the city of Jerusalem that are the utmost holy to the respective groups.

I replied:

Mecca and Medina are "utmost holy" to the Islamic religion, Jerusalem isn't even mentioned in the Koran.

You dispute the latter part of that statement, but you do not dispute the fact that Jerusalem, important as it may be, is not utmost holy in Islam. Now that semantics are out of the way, let me remind you of an earlier statement:

It is considered by some to be the place where Muhammad ascended to the heavens, and inside the Dome of the Rock there is a rock traditionally believed to have Muhammad's footprints, but that is little compared to the significance of other cities such as Mecca and Medina.

Is there anything factually wrong with this statement?
No one is contending the importance of Jerusalem in Islam, but it is not the holiest site. It is however the holiest site in Judaism. Furthermore, even while in Israeli territory, the Temple Mount is controlled by a subversive Muslim organisation. Jews are forbidden from praying and studying there, sometimes forbidden from entering at all. Yet you hold and spread an unbased paranoid delusion of Israel destroying the Muslim sites there.
Maybe all these prophecies and fears are fulfilling themselves.

The early Arab period was also one of religious tolerance. However, in the early 11th century, the Egyptian Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of all churches and synagogues in Jerusalem, a policy reversed by his successors. Reports of this were one cause of the First Crusade, which marched off from Europe to the area, and, on July 15, 1099, Christian soldiers took Jerusalem after a difficult one month siege.

Jerusalem - Arab Caliphates, Christian Crusaders, and early Ottoman rule (638-1800s)

I did not justify the murdering of 81 peaceful Jews in Hebron in 1929, but we know that attack was a result of clashes in Jerusalem after the Jews decided to get Al Buraq wall or the Wailing Wall. Palestinian sources can tell you the opposite of what you claim... if you show ten pictures of Jews victims, I can show 1000s pictures of Palestinian victims.

I recommend you read up on the facts: Riots in Palestine of 1929

I do not deny that city is holy place for Jews and Christian, but surely you can set a theory and convince 1.3- 1.5 billion Muslims that they have no rights in Jerusalem, and their faith for 1400 years is wrong!

Regardless of the misinterpretation that I have hopefully cleared above, sheer numbers are not a measure for the validity of facts. The entire population of the planet thought at one time that it is flat. Not only do Muslims have the same rights in Jerusalem, they even have the exclusive privilege of being able to worship on the Temple Mount while Jews cannot (can you see the irony?).
I assume peace will come when both sides arrive at a settlement which they deem fair. I think the PA should recognise the central role of Jerusalem in Judaism and Israel's delicate handling of the Temple Mount and holy places in general.