Why Is Avogadro's Law Valid for Ideal Gases?

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The discussion revolves around Avogadro's Law and its validity for ideal gases. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of the law, its assumptions, and the conditions under which it holds true, with a focus on the kinetic theory of gases and the behavior of gas molecules.

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Main Points Raised

  • Zech presents a personal interpretation of Avogadro's Law, suggesting that the movement of gas particles and their interactions lead to the law's validity, while expressing uncertainty about the kinetic theory of gases.
  • Another participant states that Avogadro's Law is an approximation that holds under specific assumptions, including the negligible volume of gas molecules and the lack of interactions between them.
  • A later reply acknowledges the role of negligible volume in making Avogadro's Law a suitable approximation, indicating a shared understanding of this aspect.
  • One participant suggests researching the Van der Waals equation for a more nuanced understanding of gas behavior under varying conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approximation nature of Avogadro's Law and the assumptions that support it, but there is no consensus on the detailed explanations or implications of these assumptions.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of negligible volume and non-interaction of gas molecules, especially under high pressure or low temperature conditions, which are not fully resolved.

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Individuals interested in gas laws, kinetic theory, and the conditions affecting the behavior of gases may find this discussion relevant.

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Avogadro's Law states that the same volume of two different gases (at the same temperature and pressure) contains the same number of particles. I understand that this hypothesis was first suggested after Gay-Lussac's experiments with electrolysis showed that the volumes of hydrogen and oxygen related at whole-number ratios.

But I don't understand how Avogadro's Law makes any sense. Could someone please explain why, for an ideal gas, Avogadro's Law is true?

For the sake of progress I'll take a stab at why it works, although I feel like I'm venturing into dangerous territory (I am not at all familiar with the kinetic theory of gases).

So here's goes: Avogadro's Law implies that each particle of gas moves freely through a surrounding volume that is the same for every existing gas molecule or atom, i.e. the amount of space that a hydrogen molecule "occupies" around it through its random movements is the same as the amount of space a nitrogen molecule occupies. This is because the smaller atom, bound less by inertia, moves faster than the larger atoms; the speed with which the particle moves varies inversely with the mass. The varying of the mass stabilizes the collision rate. Since the pressure and temperature are also the same, the same number of particles of two different gases will expand to the same volume.​

Please correct what's wrong with my guess, or tell me if it's completely off.

Thanks in advance,
Zech
 
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Avagadros law is an approximation that works because the molecules are very small.
Assuming:
Gas molecules occupy a negligible amount of the volume of the container
The molecules do not collide with each other or have any effect on each other.

If you need more accurate results for gas laws or are working at very high pressueres (where the molecules do interact) or very low temperatures (where the volume of the molecules does matter) there are extra terms to consider
 
Ah, so it's their negligible volume (and the fact that the difference between the volume of smaller atoms and larger ones is negligible) that makes Avogadro's law an apt approximation.

Thanks.
 
If you're interested in this subject research the topic of Vanderwall equation.
 

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