Why is k not smaller than zero?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the quadratic equation kx² + kx + 3 - k = 0 has no real roots, specifically focusing on the implications of the inequality 5k² - 12k < 0 and the resulting constraints on the constant k.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants derive the inequality 5k² - 12k < 0 as a condition for the quadratic to have no real roots, using the discriminant method.
  • One participant suggests that if k < 0, then the product k(5k - 12) < 0 cannot hold because both factors would be negative.
  • Another participant points out that if k < 0, then (5k - 12) would be positive, leading to a contradiction in the inequality.
  • There is a mention of a discrepancy between the participant's findings and the answer stating that 0 < k < 2.4.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of k being less than zero and its effect on the inequality. The discussion remains unresolved as there is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the conditions for k.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of the inequality and the conditions under which k can take certain values. The discussion does not clarify the reasoning behind the stated answer of 0 < k < 2.4.

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Question:

The equation kx2+kx+3-k = 0, where k is a constant, has no real roots

a) Show that 5k2-12k < 0
b) Find the set of possible values of k

Solution attempted:
a) For no real roots, b2-4ac < 0

a = k
b = k
c = 3 - k

k2 - 4k(3 - k) < 0
k2 -12k + 4k2 < 0
5k2 - 12k < 0
Hence shown

b) 5k2 - 12k < 0
k(5k-12) < 0
So k < 0 or (5k-12) < 0, k< 12/5, k<2.4

So k < 2.4

But the answer says 0 < k < 2.4

Why?
 
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Clever Penguin said:
Question:

The equation kx2+kx+3-k = 0, where k is a constant, has no real roots

a) Show that 5k2-12k < 0
b) Find the set of possible values of k

Solution attempted:
a) For no real roots, b2-4ac < 0

a = k
b = k
c = 3 - k

k - 4k(3 - k) < 0

Your ##b## should be squared.
 
micromass said:
Your ##b## should be squared.

Done.
I'm self-studying maths, and it doesn't say why in the book.
 
Clever Penguin said:
b) 5k2 - 12k < 0
k(5k-12) < 0
So k < 0 or (5k-12) < 0, k< 12/5, k<2.4

So k < 2.4

But the answer says 0 < k < 2.4
If k<0, then k(5k-12) < 0 cannot be true because both factors are negative.
 
mfb said:
If k<0, then k(5k-12) < 0 cannot be true because both factors are negative.

Because if k<0, (5k-12) would be positive :wink:
got it
 

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