Why is light not visible when it travels.

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The discussion centers around the question of why light is not visible while it travels through space, exploring concepts related to perception, the nature of light, and how images are formed. Participants engage with both theoretical and conceptual aspects of light and vision.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light is only visible when it enters the eye, suggesting that light travels in darkness until it interacts with an object or observer.
  • Others argue that the perception of light is contingent upon it hitting the eye, and that light traveling through space is not detectable until it reaches an observer.
  • A participant raises a question about how photons carry images, leading to a discussion about the collective behavior of photons in forming visual perceptions.
  • Some participants clarify that an individual photon does not carry an image, but rather an image is formed by a multitude of photons hitting the retina, similar to how a digital camera captures images.
  • There is a mention of the analogy between light perception and the functioning of a radio, although one participant questions the validity of this analogy.
  • Another participant discusses the interaction of electromagnetic waves, noting that light beams do not affect each other as they travel, and visibility is often due to scattering by particles in the air.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of light and perception, with no clear consensus reached. The discussion includes multiple competing ideas about how light is perceived and the mechanisms involved in visual perception.

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Some limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the nature of light and perception, as well as the dependence on definitions of visibility and interaction. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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This is a very simple question, which is why I am probably having a hard time finding the answer. Why is light not visible when it travels. You see the light of the sun, but you don't see the light travel to your eye. Light does not appear unitil is hits something, right? So the sun gives off light, the light then vanishes, travels in darkness, then appears again when it hits something or it is observed. Why?
 
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You can only see light if it enters your eye. If light is traveling far off, how could your eye detect it? It cant. The sun gives off light, you can't see it. The light travels across space, you can see it. The light hits your eye, then you can see it.
 


If a train doesn't hit you, why can't you still feel it?
 


I don't mean to thread hijack, but this is relevant. How does a photon "carry" an image per se?

I guess that question may be more relevant in the science and study of the brain rather than physics, huh?
 


Krb686 said:
I don't mean to thread hijack, but this is relevant. How does a photon "carry" an image per se?
An individual photon doesn't carry an image: an image is comprised of an enormous number of individual photons. When you look around you, ever part of every object you see is sending a photon toward your eye. Millions (billions, quadrillions?) of photons of different colors hit different parts of your retina, in very much the same way that the millions individual pixels on a digital camera chip each receive millions (quadrillions?) of photons from their part of the image.
I guess that question may be more relevant in the science and study of the brain rather than physics, huh?
Nope, still physics. Optically, the human eye is not that much different from a simple digital camera (you could mount a ccd chip on the back of your eye and it would work fine if we could interface it with our brains). It's just the way the light is sensed and processed that is different.
 


russ_watters said:
An individual photon doesn't carry an image: an image is comprised of an enormous number of individual photons. When you look around you, ever part of every object you see is sending a photon toward your eye. Millions (billions, quadrillions?) of photons of different colors hit different parts of your retina, in very much the same way that the millions individual pixels on a digital camera chip each receive millions (quadrillions?) of photons from their part of the image. Nope, still physics. Optically, the human eye is not that much different from a simple digital camera (you could mount a ccd chip on the back of your eye and it would work fine if we could interface it with our brains). It's just the way the light is sensed and processed that is different.

That makes perfect sense. I understand lcds, I don't know why I didn't make that connection!
 


Thanks. I guess it goes back to light is not light until it is observed. I was using the mental image of seeing the Earth and the sun from the moon. Light from the sun hits my eye, and the light reflecting on the Earth will hit my eye. But I will not be able to see the light between them. So I assume what I percieve as light is only that, a perception. Light is not the same as the way we percieve it to be.
 


just like a radio needs something that turns light into sound, we need to turn light into images...

prolly a bad analogy
 


EM waves do not affect each other as they go through / past each other in space. When a light beam passes from right to left, in front of you, no energy will pass from the beam into your eye EXCEPT for the small (really really small) amount of energy that will come your way from the original source, due to diffraction at the aperture.
If you see anything of the beam it will be because of scattering by molecules and dust in front of you. What you will mainly see is the stuff in front of you.
 

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