Why is $\mathcal{A} \cup \{0\}$ Compact but $\mathcal{A}$ is Not?

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The discussion revolves around the compactness of the set \(\mathcal{A} = \left\{\frac{1}{2^n};\,n\in\mathbb{N}\right\}\) and its union with the point zero, \(\mathcal{A} \cup \{0\}\). Participants explore the definitions of compactness, specifically focusing on the conditions under which a set is considered compact in a topological sense.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that \(\mathcal{A}\) is not compact because it is not closed, suggesting that including zero makes it closed and thus compact.
  • Another participant clarifies the definition of compactness, emphasizing that a set is compact if every open cover has a finite subcover, not just the existence of one.
  • A participant provides an example of an open cover for \(\mathcal{A}\) that does not have a finite subcover, questioning if this is correct.
  • Another participant agrees and provides a different example of an open cover that also lacks a finite subcover, prompting further inquiry into why this is the case.
  • One participant argues that if a finite cover existed, it would imply that all elements of \(\mathcal{A}\) are covered, which is not true due to the existence of elements like \(\frac{1}{N+1}\) that remain uncovered.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of compactness and the reasoning behind why \(\mathcal{A}\) is not compact. However, there is no consensus on the implications of the examples provided, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of the definitions and their applications.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the definitions of compactness and the specific examples of open covers. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in understanding the conditions under which a set is compact.

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I can't understand why the set [tex]\mathcal{A}=\left\{\frac{1}{2^n};\,n\in\mathbb{N}\right\}[/tex] is not compact, while [tex]\mathcal{A}\cup\{0\}[/tex] is. I know that set is compact if and only if it's closed and bounded, so in order to make set [tex]\mathcal{A}[/tex] closed, we need to include zero, as it's condesation point of this set. Another definition of compact set tells me, that the set [tex]\mathcal{B}[/tex] is compact if we are able to construct finite cover of all open covers for this set. Now I'm constructing open cover for set [tex]A[/tex]. For example open intervals
[tex]\left(\frac{1}{5},2\right),\left(\frac{1}{4},\frac{3}{2}\right),\left(-1,\frac{1}{3}\right)[/tex]
and I'm able to find finite cover
[tex]\left(\frac{1}{5},2\right),\left(-1,\frac{1}{3}\right)[/tex]
It's true that
[tex]\mathcal{A}\subset\left(\frac{1}{5},2\right)\cup\left(-1,\frac{1}{3}\right)[/tex]
Where's the problem? Thank you.
 
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The problem is you misunderstood the second definition. It's not "compact iff you can find an open cover with a finite subcover", it's "compact iff EVERY open cover has a finite subcover".
 
aha, thanx. So, for example for cover
[tex]\bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty}\left(\frac{1}{2^n},\frac{1}{2^n}+\frac{1}{10}\right)[/tex]
there's no finite subcover. Is it correct?
 
Indeed. In this case, for example, the open cover [tex]\left\{ \left( 1/n, 1 \right) \; : \; n \in \mathbb{N} \right\}[/tex] does not have a finite subcover (why?).
 
If such finite cover exists, then for some N
[tex]\mathcal{A}\subset\bigcup_{n=1}^{N}\left(\frac{1}{n},1\right)=\left(\frac{1}{N},1\right)[/tex]
That's not true, because there exists [tex]\frac{1}{N+1}[/tex] which is not covered.

ThanX :-)
 

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